tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post25740345352500225..comments2024-03-15T07:24:22.608+00:00Comments on Life on Wings - A Tribute to Dr Ern Baxter: Terry Virgo - Apostles of Order and Power?Dan Bowenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-63898176361883315752008-02-01T19:41:00.000+00:002008-02-01T19:41:00.000+00:00Eclectic Girl, all I can say is - we all make mist...Eclectic Girl, all I can say is - we all make mistakes - particularly people like me, and the history of the growth of the charismatic movement in the UK has done immense good and left some casulties on both side. I hope today that we're learning to live together more, but with the best of motives we still make horrendous mistakes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-70673992049978476432008-02-01T16:15:00.000+00:002008-02-01T16:15:00.000+00:00Terry has written a post and briefly refers (I thi...Terry has written a post and briefly refers (I think) to the FIEC Council. It's very encouraging!<BR/><BR/>"At a recent ministers’ conference I addressed, it was acknowledged that, even if they could not yet see all the scriptural basis for apostolic ministry, the ministers personally felt the need for such a figure to arise to help them in their leadership of the congregation".Dan Bowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-45672069266211529182008-02-01T12:18:00.000+00:002008-02-01T12:18:00.000+00:00You put out a challenge to Terry or a question rec...You put out a challenge to Terry or a question recently about leadership being in the areas of least population - I guess maybe that question has been answered now? Apostles must move to the unreached people groups eh!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-56940455136239576702008-02-01T12:03:00.000+00:002008-02-01T12:03:00.000+00:00Interesting post and reference to UCCF. Yere I to...Interesting post and reference to UCCF. Yere I too didn't have such a great encounter with UCCF. I was on CU Exec and was praying with a friend in my room about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. One of my flatmates (who was also on EXec) happened to mention it to the UCCF Staff Worker and I was severely told off because it would hinder "unity" and that "charismatic issues" had no place within a CU. :( I was a bit crushed to say the least because I was really excited that my friend was so hungry for an encounter with God. I do take Dave Bish's point though that this isn't universal and I guess there will other expressions depending on which CU you go to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-82719080762184290652008-02-01T11:21:00.000+00:002008-02-01T11:21:00.000+00:00Yes fair point Dave. Don't forget my only experie...Yes fair point Dave. Don't forget my only experience of UCCF was at Birmingham CU which wasn't that tolerant of charismatics! I remember the song; "Let your glory fall in this room ... let it go forth from here to the nations" was banned because of it's restorationist themes!<BR/><BR/>I guess maybe a visit to Word Alive or a more positive and universal expression of the best of UCCF would be a hugely positive experience for me!<BR/><BR/>"I'm fairly convinced that most UK non-charismaticism is rooted in a reaction to the early days of the charismatic movement and any excesses it had".<BR/><BR/>Spot on. I have been reading through a USA Research website run by a guy called George Barnea. Apparantly it's quite big on the US front but he says that according to research Pentecostalism/Charismatic stream of churches is the only real one continuing to grow on a large scale. Apparantly among most non-charismatics, they are beginning to find that their traditional arguments (ie. Spirit without Word and you will blow up) isn't quite as relevant.<BR/><BR/>Most charismatics I encounter these days are hugely serious about understanding the WOrd of God in it's fullness and as you say quite rightly - that's gaining respect and credibility surely. Even if it has taken three decades!Dan Bowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-23387575791825665172008-02-01T10:03:00.000+00:002008-02-01T10:03:00.000+00:00Also, when you want to bridge the divides don't we...Also, when you want to bridge the divides don't we have to learn to bear with one another. So, some at FIEC might not want to embrace Terry's signs/wonders emphasis, but there is enough about who he is and what he believes for them to say - I'll stand with him, rather than not... In my experience, when that happens you get a warming towards the convictions of the other. So the less reformed charismatic starts to see the good of reformed theology... the less charismatic reformed christian sees the good of charismatic theology. <BR/><BR/>I'm fairly convinced that most UK non-charismaticism is rooted in a reaction to the early days of the charismatic movement and any excesses it had. Once the non-charismatic can see the best of charismatics (such as Terry) they can't say anymore that they're not serious about scripture and so they have to go back and re-examine their convictions. It's the vital combination of the relational and the doctrinal in partnerships.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-27534282656098812052008-02-01T09:57:00.000+00:002008-02-01T09:57:00.000+00:002. I'm impressed by.3. C'mon, new Word Alive is pa...2. I'm impressed by.<BR/><BR/>3. C'mon, new Word Alive is part run by UCCF which is a family that unites charismatics and conservatives, and charismatic-conservatives... it's been hard at times to find expression of that until Terry did our student leaders conference a few years ago. Piper-Virgo-Carson is a great expression of what UCCF stands for, though even then the family isn't all as reformed as those would be.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-54498015412700416732008-01-31T21:57:00.000+00:002008-01-31T21:57:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dan Bowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-78791631880645958722008-01-31T12:33:00.000+00:002008-01-31T12:33:00.000+00:00I admit I too am confused about the invitations to...I admit I too am confused about the invitations to conservative reformed things like FIEC Council and the Word Alive thing. They have never struck me as being ready to adapt to charismatics like Terry so is Terry more acceptable to them? I can't believe that if he is moving in healing and signs and wonders!! What is going on!? I guess the clue is in WHAT he preaches - will he tone down his message for them (as other pseudo-charismatic leaders have done) and adapt to what they want to hear, or will he stand firm and use the opportunity to preach the glorious message of Grace and Glory!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-50491327454843200152008-01-31T11:10:00.000+00:002008-01-31T11:10:00.000+00:00It is wonderful to read that Terry still desires t...It is wonderful to read that Terry still desires to pioneer! That is the heart of a true apostle. No settling down, but pressing in to take new territory for the Kingdom.Peter Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14498529242569940604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-43403192412492563442008-01-31T02:38:00.000+00:002008-01-31T02:38:00.000+00:00Yes! Can an apostle really be an apostle unless t...Yes! Can an apostle really be an apostle unless they are prepared to up and move from their home base to an area that needs their fathering and care? As I recall Terry has done it a few times - Columbia and now here? Don't know about anymore. So I am left wondering when C J last upped and moved from his home church in Gaithersburg. And would he? Or does he claim to even be an apostle? So many questions ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com