tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post3134655409615139601..comments2024-03-15T07:24:22.608+00:00Comments on Life on Wings - A Tribute to Dr Ern Baxter: The Greatest Motivation for Sanctification - A Smack? Or a Tear?Dan Bowenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-40782234385322800062008-12-21T04:10:00.000+00:002008-12-21T04:10:00.000+00:00Hi all!Chris, don't you love what GK Chesterton sa...Hi all!<BR/>Chris, don't you love what GK Chesterton said, "Paradox is truth standing on its head!" <BR/><BR/>Dan, this is one of your best posts. Breath of fresh air.<BR/><BR/>We've had to enact church discipline and disfellowship a man - one time. He was an unrepentant pediphile/child rapist. *Unrepentant*<BR/><BR/>He had nothing for us but lies and excuses.<BR/><BR/>He's in prison, and it broke our hearts to send him there. My husband and I became physically ill in the months that followed, because of grief. But the flock had to be protected, and the "law" (in the literal, human, law-of-the-land sense) had to be upheld. (A pastor has legal obligations under such circumstances.)<BR/><BR/>Someone would have to be unrepentant and unwilling to change whatsoever, and be in a sort of sin that is dangerous to others in the body for our church to enact church discipline.<BR/><BR/>But it can happen, and it does happen. And I pray with all my heart that we never have to go through it again. <BR/><BR/>This very month, three years ago, my husband was taking food and basic supplies to the young wife's house (married at the time to the man whod' been imprisoned just days before) to care for her and her children. It wasn't much, but it got them through the weekend. Three years later, on this very night, we were able to take an entire van-load of presents for them all...gifts and donations from various ones. What a difference 3 years have made...this young, now-single mother is finally beginning to thrive again. In her case, church discipline helped heal her...she needed to see an entire church rally around justice and her cause.<BR/><BR/>But church discipline should really be reserved to issues THAT big...and be reserved for completely unrepentant individuals.<BR/><BR/>Merry Christmas, Dan!Sheila Atchleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08989452938845114084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-21200825110943147642008-12-20T16:42:00.000+00:002008-12-20T16:42:00.000+00:00My two pennarth on this iswhatever...whether love ...My two pennarth on this is<BR/>whatever...whether love or discipline...it has to be in the Spirit.<BR/><BR/>Fleshly love regarding matters is like Agag (Ern quote) sidling/mincing up to Samuel and saying "Surely the bitterness of death is past" and Samuel gets his sword out.<BR/><BR/>Fleshly discipline is like the disciples crowding around various individuals and saying "Because you're not hanging around with us, you couldn't be part of us." But Jesus tells them not to be so stupid...going straight to the root...people are either moving on the side of Jesus in their hearts or not...whether they actually are physically hanging out with them ...is not the issue.<BR/>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%<BR/>as I said once before Esther had 6 months of astringent and 6 months of quality oils in her beauty therapy. She had both. If there's pride in our life expect God to tear it down. If there's bruising, ("a bruised reed He will not break") He is there gently massaging it on bended knee.<BR/>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%<BR/>Sometimes I get excited when I hear or read something that I feel fills in some of the details I am trying to sketch in, but haven't quite seen yet. One such item is today's posted message on Jamie's blog, featuring Gary Garner<BR/>http://finishedwork-rjw.blogspot.com/2008/12/sometimes-i-just-want-to-be-hostess-and.html<BR/><BR/>I like people who are handling paradoxesChris Welch - 07000INTUNEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932291173536070080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-81116120261282566752008-12-17T16:01:00.000+00:002008-12-17T16:01:00.000+00:00Thanks all, and thanks Janelle! You are so amazin...Thanks all, and thanks Janelle! You are so amazing at picking up on the smallest comment that I often just make as an after-thought. I've been thinking a lot through the "church discipline" issue and you are right, I shouldn't have over-generalised like that! It does indeed deserve another post, because there are some key verses the Bible does mention about church discipline.<BR/><BR/>But what I'm wondering is has the Church mis-interpreted it and mis-used it?<BR/><BR/>So yes, I think I'm guilty of using my bad experience with church sanctions to govern statements! More to come I think.Dan Bowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-17300743759036446952008-12-16T19:33:00.000+00:002008-12-16T19:33:00.000+00:00I really liked this one, Dan. Now I'm super curio...I really liked this one, Dan. Now I'm super curious to hear what you have to say on church discipline. Was the comment "church sanctions don't work" a reference to church discipline as a whole? Or just the type you are familiar with? Maybe its another post for another day:-)janellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03562513623973041847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-8910847245380552412008-12-16T17:51:00.000+00:002008-12-16T17:51:00.000+00:00Yeah Dan, you're on a roll!Yeah Dan, you're on a roll!julhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15688008902332240637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-86039694814651074092008-12-16T17:24:00.000+00:002008-12-16T17:24:00.000+00:00Another totally awesome post!!Another totally awesome post!!Peter Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14498529242569940604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-25641652412262207242008-12-16T09:06:00.000+00:002008-12-16T09:06:00.000+00:00Thanks Dave. Good thoughts.Thanks Dave. Good thoughts.Dan Bowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-16047362541596044582008-12-16T08:30:00.000+00:002008-12-16T08:30:00.000+00:00Interestingly, falling from grace is as much about...Interestingly, falling from grace is as much about legalism as other sin (Galatians 5v4) but you don't hear it used that way much...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-91825031152980512302008-12-16T08:28:00.000+00:002008-12-16T08:28:00.000+00:00You're not the only one thinking that this week: R...You're not the only one thinking that this week: <A HREF="http://christthetruth.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/wheres-the-turning-point/" REL="nofollow">Repentance in the pigsty or in the father's embrace...</A><BR/><BR/>The bride quote, which is excellent is from <A HREF="http://spirit-of-god.blogspot.com/2008/02/gracious-prophets.html" REL="nofollow">Dave Campbell</A>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02894433115379089423noreply@blogger.com