tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post6171768052015256389..comments2024-03-15T07:24:22.608+00:00Comments on Life on Wings - A Tribute to Dr Ern Baxter: Condemned!! Or Not Guilty?Dan Bowenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-77160391299986050242010-05-22T10:20:16.180+01:002010-05-22T10:20:16.180+01:00Janelle,
"I'm sincerely sorry if I'v...Janelle,<br /><br />"I'm sincerely sorry if I've angered anyone. That wasn't my intention at all, but as with this topic, its almost unavoidable".<br /><br />I hope you know you certainly didn't anger me because I know your heart pretty well I think from your writing and our previous interactions.<br /><br />But I think you raise an important point. The gay community DOES get angered when someone they do not know in the Christian community makes a statement such as you did. And the church community (the Pope's cardinal accusing all paedophiles of being homosexuals is a perfect example) seems to make quite a few of them.<br /><br />I feel as though I stand with a foot in both camps at times - and my experience has shown me that it goes a long, long way to get to know people in the gay community before making statements such as you did - and I just mean befriend.<br /><br />Does that mean we do not preach the Gospel to all? No of course not. But before making gay community-specific statements of condemnation - just take some time to sit and talk and befriend and show love to. You may find the anger is considerably less then.<br /><br />Alternatively it seems many Christian leaders don't care about angering and continue to make such statements. To that I would say again - don't be surprised when the gay community wants nothing to do with your church.Dan Bowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-47319647000871164742010-05-20T21:03:19.682+01:002010-05-20T21:03:19.682+01:00Anonymous,
Yes I met with Pete Greasley and it wa...Anonymous,<br /><br />Yes I met with Pete Greasley and it was a great meeting - very positive and encouraging. I've heard nothing more since.Dan Bowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-28908579960318745732010-05-20T20:50:32.487+01:002010-05-20T20:50:32.487+01:00Janelle, you seem a nice sincere girl. I'd ju...Janelle, you seem a nice sincere girl. I'd just gently suggest you read your very own C J Mahaney's "Humility" again. You speak truth but not much grace. "Grace and Truth" is the helpful balance.<br /><br />Dan, you said you were meeting Peter Greasley some weeks ago to work through the past with SGM - anything positive happen there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-87705746684858241412010-05-19T21:26:37.288+01:002010-05-19T21:26:37.288+01:00Dan,
Well spoken, my friend. I also love what Ju...Dan,<br /><br />Well spoken, my friend. I also love what Jul said, because our one message should definitely be the Gospel. <br /><br />So maybe I should clarify what I meant when I said that, and perhaps condemn wasn't the best word to use. Certainly passing judgment is NOT what I meant, because as I've said before, we can't make homosexuality THE issue. Sin is the issue. But the argument was whether or not homosexuality is a sin, to which the Bible is very clear that it is. That was my only point, so perhaps this next statement is worded better. Since God passes His judgment declaring i.e. condemning homosexuality a sin, we must acknowledge that it is and preach a Gospel of repentance and grace. To not do so would be disingenuous at best, disobedient at worst. <br /><br />The problem is that either 1) we pass judgment ourselves which you so eloquently pointed out or 2) we don't speak the truth and we water down what God says about it. There is a fine line that the church seems to be trying to find, and which Jul, I think, found. Preach the GOSPEL and everything that it entails. Unfortunately, the world will call us homophobic, or self-righteous, or a host of other things, when in fact, we might not be. If we are standing by what the word of God says about sin in general, and homosexuality in particular, the world will see it differently than we do. But that shouldn't change our message to them, or the way we pray for them, or the way we reach out to them with the love of Christ. <br /><br />I'm sincerely sorry if I've angered anyone. That wasn't my intention at all, but as with this topic, its almost unavoidable.janellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03562513623973041847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-69022005319929972702010-05-19T09:52:20.322+01:002010-05-19T09:52:20.322+01:00OK so who is not a hireling then? Well Rob Rufus a...OK so who is not a hireling then? Well Rob Rufus at City Church International may be one place to start.<br /><br />or for more rude impudence you could try my blog.<br />Perhaps you already have?Chris Welch - 07000INTUNEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932291173536070080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-48971171938476875402010-05-19T09:41:52.529+01:002010-05-19T09:41:52.529+01:00Mr or Mrs Anonymous chappie/chappess
Have you ever...Mr or Mrs Anonymous chappie/chappess<br />Have you ever wondered why, if the disciples were reported in the gospel as moving in power early on in the gospels while preaching, why Jesus bothered still training them 24/7 for 3 years?<br />Since just about all denominations and informal Christian networks would accept such people working for them out of hand.<br />You can preach.....and heal the sick....with a bit of water walking...come on in...you got the job sir...the Anglican Church appoints you archbishop.<br /><br />Well here's the real answer...<br />until the 12 had experienced a real dose of "death" in their lives(Remember the gospel is Take up Your Cross and follow Me) and implied in that....a good dose of real resurrection....or real life doused in Jesus Power and Presence...Jesus wasn't going to let the disciples outside of His beady eyes for more than one mission or so.<br /><br />Jesus wasn't about to let the apostles out on an unsuspecting world to preach...until every speck of fingerpointing from a heart of self righteousness and a fake superiority was completely flushed from their system.<br /><br />How did He do it?<br />Well chaps we're going to do one final big passing out lesson.<br />Oh?<br />Yes.<br />It's called The Cross. This is where You watch Me die and You all stick by Me and show your faithfulness NOT!<br />By the time this weekend is over and you realise your utter hopelessness to do the work of God...<br />you guys will be ready for part 2 of the passing out lesson.After which point we'll do Acts 2 and we'll get the Church started.Is that OK?<br /><br />So you see Mr/Mrs Anonymous atheist...it is very likely you have never seen proper Christian ministry in your life.You will probably have only ever seen seminary exam trained "hirelings" working for salary hire at 10% rate.So ofcourse it is no wonder you are an atheist...as I was briefly between 12 and 13 as a burned out Methodist son of 2 physicist parents.Chris Welch - 07000INTUNEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17932291173536070080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-75772424998429311732010-05-18T19:10:58.010+01:002010-05-18T19:10:58.010+01:00Thx.
Nice to read of a Christian who's actu...Thx. <br /><br />Nice to read of a Christian who's actually real with his life and issues and isn't pointing the finger for once.<br /><br />I for one as an unashamed atheist would be far more likely to sit down and listen to someone like this bloke ... rather than most of what I see in religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-33231725851131123052010-05-18T06:27:34.579+01:002010-05-18T06:27:34.579+01:00Thanks Julie! :)
I must say I found this post suc...Thanks Julie! :)<br /><br />I must say I found this post such an encouragement reading through the Old Testament. We make the mistake sometimes of thinking that Old Testament is "Law" and New Testament is "Grace".<br /><br />Actually - as C H Spurgeon wrote there is a "Golden Thread" of grace running through the Old Testament giving hints at the glorious gospel that is to come and - PRAISE GOD - has now come!Dan Bowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-20695067040727625272010-05-17T23:31:50.225+01:002010-05-17T23:31:50.225+01:00Written as the beloved son of God that you are, wi...Written as the beloved son of God that you are, with whom he is VERY WELL PLEASED!!!!! Lots of love from your Canadian sister! Amazing post.julhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15688008902332240637noreply@blogger.com