<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024</id><updated>2012-01-27T14:41:18.476Z</updated><category term='Christian hedonism'/><category term='Toronto'/><category term='Chuck Pierce'/><category term='Puritans'/><category term='Freedom'/><category term='Trevor Baker'/><category term='Book Acts'/><category term='Newfrontiers'/><category term='Narnia'/><category term='Heather Clark'/><category term='John Groves'/><category term='The Land'/><category term='Identity'/><category term='Intimacy Father'/><category term='Hebrews Warning passages'/><category term='New Wine Magazine'/><category term='John Macarthur'/><category 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Now'/><category term='Pete Day'/><category term='TG4'/><category term='Anglia Bible Week'/><category term='Open Heaven'/><category term='Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy'/><category term='Culture'/><category term='Promises of God'/><category term='Julian Adams'/><category term='Salvation'/><category term='Latter Rain'/><category term='Joel Osteen'/><category term='Purpose'/><category term='Vaughan Roberts'/><category term='Empire Strikes Back'/><category term='Exaltation'/><category term='Jubilee'/><category term='John Arnott'/><category term='Influence'/><category term='Mark Heath'/><category term='J I Packer'/><category term='Prophets'/><category term='Cross'/><category term='Terry Virgo'/><category term='Song of Solomon'/><category term='Wendy Virgo'/><category term='New Word Alive'/><category term='Andy Weatherly'/><category term='Death'/><category term='Seers'/><title type='text'>Life on Wings - A Tribute to Dr Ern Baxter</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default?start-index=101&amp;max-results=100'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>1264</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-20997040650476949</id><published>2012-01-26T17:03:00.004Z</published><updated>2012-01-26T17:14:47.065Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><title type='text'>The Official SGM Board vindicating C J Mahaney</title><content type='html'>So here's &lt;a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/79373928/Panel-Reports-and-Board-s-Response"&gt;the link to the full 51 page report vindicating C J and his ministry&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 158px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JoXnYXpsri8/TyGJpDM9gzI/AAAAAAAADs0/80lZamkdj9I/s320/CJ_MAHANEY.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5701989941555069746" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The key point:  Mahaney is going to return as President "temporarily" (his words) in order to prepare and transition SGM for a new leader.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is also a &lt;a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/79373976/Why-Not-Vote"&gt;small addendum&lt;/a&gt; discussing why SGM pastors were not entitled to vote in this matter.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The reports were leaked on "&lt;a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/79373928/Panel-Reports-and-Board-s-Response"&gt;SGM Wiki-leaks&lt;/a&gt;" - who we also had to thank for leaking the Brent Detweiler documents.  Originally the SGM Board were going to publish their report on Friday (tomorrow) but I guess the leak forced them &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/An-announcement-regarding-CJ-Mahaney.aspx"&gt;to publish&lt;/a&gt; officially a day early.  C J himself also commented on his "&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/cj-mahaney/post/A-note-to-those-in-Sovereign-Grace-Ministries.aspx"&gt;Cheap Seats" blog&lt;/a&gt; (his first entry since August 12th - not forgetting Dave Harvey removed C J's "confession" blog).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Read and digest.  I've got my suspicions on who his successor will be.  I am hoping I am wrong because it will mean my optimism has been seriously misplaced yet again.  I am determined to try and be optimistic and remember the precious visit I had to Grace Church Bristol and the grace I had shown to me and the welcome.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-20997040650476949?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/20997040650476949/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=20997040650476949&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/20997040650476949'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/20997040650476949'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2012/01/official-sgm-board-vindicating-c-j.html' title='The Official SGM Board vindicating C J Mahaney'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JoXnYXpsri8/TyGJpDM9gzI/AAAAAAAADs0/80lZamkdj9I/s72-c/CJ_MAHANEY.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-2836943310267690846</id><published>2012-01-25T06:04:00.002Z</published><updated>2012-01-25T06:07:30.087Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM Uncensored'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><title type='text'>So he's back? (Allegedly)</title><content type='html'>Apparently this is going to get published on the SGM website tomorrow (Friday);&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Announcement Regarding C.J. Mahaney from the Sovereign Grace Ministries Interim Board of Directors&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In July 2011, Sovereign Grace Ministries (SGM) installed an interim Board of Directors.  Our primary task was to determine C.J. Mahaney’s fitness to serve SGM as President in light of accusations made against him by a former SGM leader, Brent Detwiler.  To accomplish this, we sought to apply the teaching of 1 Timothy 5:19-21 regarding the examination of an elder.  As described in our October 28 blog post, we created three panels to review Brent’s allegations and report their findings to us, after which we would determine if C.J. was to continue in his role as President.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After examining the reports of these three review panels, we find nothing in them that would disqualify C.J. from his role as President, nor do they in any way call into question his fitness for gospel ministry.  &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Therefore the Board has decided unanimously to return C.J. to the office of President, effective immediately&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These reports confirm the experience of many people over many years under the ministry of C.J. Mahaney.  C.J. is a man and a minister of fundamental integrity who has endeavored to serve SGM with faithfulness and humility since its inception.  As with all ministers of the gospel, C.J. is not infallible, and this fact is not lost on him.  And so we also affirm that throughout this process of evaluation, C.J. has made genuine confession to the appropriate parties and has demonstrated a desire to grow in areas of weakness.  C.J. has demonstrated a commendable trust in the grace and sovereignty of God throughout this entire process.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To put our decision in context, shortly before the interim Board began its work, C.J. took a voluntary leave of absence to avoid even the appearance of influencing his evaluation.  To further protect the integrity of the process, the interim Board sought the counsel and affirmation of an outside conciliation ministry, Ambassadors of Reconciliation (AOR).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With C.J. on leave and AOR involved, the review process took the following form:  We commissioned three outside ministers to review Brent’s documents in light of C.J.’s confessions and render their judgment on his fitness to serve in ministry.  In light of their evaluation, they found him to be completely fit to serve.  We then commissioned three panels – each consisting of three SGM pastors – to evaluate C.J.’s involvement in the three central events of Brent’s allegations.  The panels had complete autonomy to interview any witness and review any evidence.  They conducted their reviews and prepared their reports without any outside influence, save for the oversight of an independent facilitator who was responsible to certify the process.  As readers will see in the reports, the panels had broad license to issue any individual or organizational recommendations they deemed appropriate in light of their findings.  They did an exceptional job with their unenviable assignment and we’re grateful to them for the many hours they invested in this process.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This has been a trying season for our family of churches and for C.J. and his family in particular.  The recommendations made by the panels delineate some of the weaknesses we see in our ministry, and we expect to learn even more when the separate AOR-led Group Reconciliation process is completed this spring.  Our hope and prayer is that all of us evaluate these matters humbly, apply the forgiveness that comes through the gospel appropriately, and relate to one another about these matters graciously as we work together to reform what needs reforming, reaffirm the goodness of God in our midst, and continue to plant and build local churches with our chief aim the glory of God through the gospel".&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And there's another 51 pages of the report to read and consider.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Whither now - SGM?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-2836943310267690846?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/2836943310267690846/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=2836943310267690846&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2836943310267690846'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2836943310267690846'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2012/01/so-hes-back-allegedly.html' title='So he&apos;s back? (Allegedly)'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-7521406643555119024</id><published>2012-01-18T17:16:00.003Z</published><updated>2012-01-18T17:32:40.694Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bride of Christ'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church History'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brent Detweiler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Louise Fellingham'/><title type='text'>Exhausted of "Churchianity"?</title><content type='html'>I have had a rare and enjoyable day off doing some "DIY" and shopping - and as per usual have spent much of it glued to my iPhone catching up on events from around the globe.  For me - this is usually through my Twitter account but also reading some of &lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/"&gt;Brent Detweiler's&lt;/a&gt; extensive documents on the current SGM controversy.  I really don't know how the man gets his sheer determination and focus to write so extensively on what he believes is right.  And I share much of his concerns - SGM needs an overhaul and some honest confession from the top.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But I have to admit I find reading it all quite exhausting.  Is this really "the Bride of Christ"?  What does our heavenly awesome Bridegroom make of this?  Surely there must be "more"?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Lou Fellingham's beautiful song "I will say" is like balm to my tired soul at this time (and I'm sure many others).  Sadly there isn't a You-Tube video of this song live - but for those who haven't heard Lou's amazing voice - here is her singing "There is a Day".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fQuUWJ-Ch4Q" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;I will say&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"You give rest to the weary&lt;/div&gt;You bring strength to the weak&lt;br /&gt;As they wait in your presence&lt;br /&gt;There is grace for their need&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I’ll wait, I’ll wait&lt;br /&gt;Yes I’ll wait, I’ll wait for you&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will say of the Lord he is my refuge&lt;br /&gt;I will say of the Lord he is my strength&lt;br /&gt;I will say of the Lord he is my shelter, my hiding place&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can come in the silence&lt;br /&gt;You can come in the noise&lt;br /&gt;Bringing peace in a moment&lt;br /&gt;Bringing comfort and joy&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I’ll wait, I’ll wait&lt;br /&gt;Yes I’ll wait, I’ll wait for you&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will say of the Lord he is my refuge&lt;br /&gt;I will say of the Lord he is my strength&lt;br /&gt;I will say of the Lord he is my shelter, my hiding place&lt;br /&gt;I will come to the source all creation&lt;br /&gt;I will drink from the well that never dries&lt;br /&gt;I will draw from the one who won’t grow tired&lt;br /&gt;The lord of all&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I’ll wait, I’ll wait&lt;br /&gt;Yes I’ll wait, I’ll wait for you&lt;br /&gt;I will wait, I’ll wait&lt;br /&gt;Yes I’ll wait, I’ll wait for you&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will say of the Lord he is my refuge&lt;br /&gt;I will say of the Lord he is my strength&lt;br /&gt;I will say of the Lord he is my shelter, my hiding place&lt;br /&gt;I will come to the source all creation&lt;br /&gt;I will drink from the well that never dries&lt;br /&gt;I will draw from the one who won’t grow tired&lt;br /&gt;The lord of all&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You give rest to the weary&lt;br /&gt;You bring strength to the weak&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-7521406643555119024?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/7521406643555119024/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=7521406643555119024&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/7521406643555119024'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/7521406643555119024'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2012/01/exhausted-of-churchianity.html' title='Exhausted of &quot;Churchianity&quot;?'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/fQuUWJ-Ch4Q/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-6962151495037323318</id><published>2012-01-17T21:34:00.004Z</published><updated>2012-01-17T22:10:21.251Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Covenant Life Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM Uncensored'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joshua Harris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Law'/><title type='text'>C J Loses His Assistant</title><content type='html'>Many SGM and Mahaney fans are wondering about what C J is up to and what the future may hold for Mahaney and SGM (sadly for many the two are inseparable).  Although I am not a C J or SGM fan - I am an interested observer so I was interested to read the following;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Firstly that &lt;a href="http://spurgeon.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/a-personal-update/"&gt;C J Mahaney's "Assistant" - Tony Reinke - is moving back to Desiring God Ministry-land and he writes&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Of course this means I will be leaving the Sovereign Grace Ministries office in Maryland, and Friday is my final day on staff. It has been a delightful four years serving alongside C.J. Mahaney as his editorial and research assistant. I will miss working with him in the office, traveling with him to conference engagements, and of course I will miss the multitasking meetings that may have appeared to some as a simple game of catch in the parking lot. I will greatly miss working with my friends in the Sovereign Grace office, worshipping with our friends at Covenant Life Church, and serving the many incredible pastors in Sovereign Grace who are spread across the country and the world".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Although C J appears to have given his "blessing" to this move for his assistant back to John Piper - one cannot but wonder at the implications for C J's future involvement in SGM.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And secondly - a friend who is a member at Covenant Life Church &lt;a href="http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=3257&amp;amp;cp=2#comment-57583"&gt;wrote&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"Greetings from your pastors! &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;We pray the grace, mercy and peace of Jesus for you today. We’re writing to give you a brief update on current events related to our church, Sovereign Grace Ministries (SGM) and our new church constitution.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;We’ve all been in a waiting period since the events of last summer and our Members Meeting at the end of October. In the next few months several key events will bring these issues back to the forefront along with what we trust will be a greater sense of clarity and closure.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, sometime later this month the SGM Board will release reports from the three panels they appointed to evaluate several issues raised by Brent Detwiler’s documents. Each panel, comprised of one board member and two SGM pastors selected by the Board, was tasked to answer a single question. One panel evaluated Larry Tomczak’s departure from SGM (then known as PDI); another, C.J. Mahaney’s role in Brent Detwiler’s dismissal as senior pastor of the SGM church in Mooresville, N.C.; and the third, how C.J.’s participation in fellowship in 2003 and 2004, including the giving and receiving of correction, aligned with Scripture.&lt;br /&gt;The SGM board received the reports in December and will be sharing them publicly along with their decision about C.J.’s role as president. When this information is released in the next few weeks we will be reading and processing it along with the rest of the public. Therefore, we don’t plan to respond immediately, as we will need time to review, reflect, pray and discuss the reports. We don’t want to rush a response.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Second, Ambassadors of Reconciliation (AoR) is preparing a report that is due in March. This peacemaking ministry, at the request of the SGM Board, has conducted numerous interviews with current and former members and pastors of SGM churches (including our church) to help SGM evaluate its strengths and weaknesses. We agree that this kind of objective, outside evaluation is a very good thing, and we commend Dave Harvey and the Board for pursuing it.&lt;br /&gt;Although both sets of reports will be written for SGM, we believe Covenant Life can benefit from them as well. The posture we want to take as your pastors is one of humility as we read the reports and see how they may apply to our church.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, we are making good progress on our new church constitution. We had hoped to publish a rough draft by February 1, but a combination of Christmas break, pastors being on mission trips and some issues being more complicated than we expected, have delayed us a bit. We are aiming to release the rough draft to the church this spring to get your feedback. In the meantime we’re working toward consensus on a few questions as pastors, getting the feedback of some members, and asking key leaders in the broader body of Christ to review the document. When we share it—still in draft form—we’ll take time in public meetings to answer questions and process feedback so that we can move toward ratifying the constitution later in the year.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a great honor for us to serve as your pastors. We love and respect you so much. “Now may the Lord of peace himself give you peace at all times in every way.” (2 Thessalonians 3:16)&lt;br /&gt;In grace,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The pastors of Covenant Life".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I guess that means - we continue to watch and wait.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-6962151495037323318?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/6962151495037323318/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=6962151495037323318&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6962151495037323318'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6962151495037323318'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2012/01/c-j-loses-his-assistant.html' title='C J Loses His Assistant'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-2345329187327869129</id><published>2012-01-15T13:25:00.004Z</published><updated>2012-01-15T18:32:40.084Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mark Driscoll'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rob Rufus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Terry Virgo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Martyn Lloyd-Jones'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evangelism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Anointing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Preaching'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Grace Church Bristol'/><title type='text'>Leadership Skills According to the Iron Lady</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vSVxSviz7QM/TxMbuhYcwXI/AAAAAAAADso/e-_DdrntmAI/s1600/Maggie.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 255px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vSVxSviz7QM/TxMbuhYcwXI/AAAAAAAADso/e-_DdrntmAI/s320/Maggie.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5697928439602659698" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I originally intended to come back from the cinema 2 days ago and write a post reflecting on leadership skills in the church based on the awesome film; "&lt;a href="http://www.theironladymovie.co.uk/blog/"&gt;Iron Lady&lt;/a&gt;".  However my apartment was broken into and we had some very valuable things robbed including my iPad - so that distracted me somewhat!  Then I woke up yesterday ready for a long day at work and was in the wrong place to read Mark Driscoll's rather unfortunate assessment of preaching and teaching in the United Kingdom.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;I was thinking about his comments at work and wondering if I was overly harsh - but I think not.  Many excuse Driscoll on "his age" or "social situation" - but I do think that leadership demands an element of responsibility.  Unless Driscoll is extraordinarily naive or foolish - he will be aware of his fan-base across the world, so therefore must be aware (thanks to social networking) of the impact that a throw-away comment such as he allegedly made, would have.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My philosophy is still simple.  As the many brilliant consultant surgeons and physicians in healthcare quite rightly take a large salary for their responsibility of the patients under their care - so "mega-church pastors" who take large salaries as well as book royalties (such as Driscoll, C J Mahaney or even John Piper) must also take responsibility for the impact of their words.  In a sense - their words can damage even more than the doctors I encounter because the words of church leaders can damage spiritually as well as physically.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But onto "&lt;a href="http://www.theironladymovie.co.uk/blog/"&gt;the Iron Lady&lt;/a&gt;".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 218px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1FePQIqd7E4/TxLwSLrr-nI/AAAAAAAADsc/3UO8s3OqmkU/s320/n650265095_783097_3808.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5697880673741437554" /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have always been a fan of Margaret Thatcher since I was young (as the photo taken by my friend Mark Heath demonstrates!  Check out the postcard of Thatcher in my office in the bottom right hand corner) - so I was eager to see how this film depicted her.  I greatly enjoyed the film but found it sobering too.  Whatever one may feel about Thatcher's methods - you cannot deny her commitment and determination to see what she believed right brought about.  Two scenes particularly brought me out in goosebumps;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;1.  The moment when &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_invasion_of_the_Falkland_Islands"&gt;Thatcher had to decide whether or not to take aggressive action against the Argentine battleship that was circling the Falkland Islands at the beginning of the war&lt;/a&gt;.  Whether or not this was the way it happened - the film has it visually grippingly depicted!  Thatcher is surrounded on one side by her military commanders who have told her what can be accomplished if she wishes.  On the other - her civil servant advisers who continually advise "caution" and "negotiation".  The viewer can see Thatcher's manicured nail tapping on the table and you hear the monumental lines;  "Sink it".  What is further gripping is that you see her tears and agony at the impact of her action - the British lives lost as a result.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2.  The other was the moment when Michael Hestletine's betrayal (in Thatcher's view) became real to her, and she realised she would have to leave power.  She said in the film; "But I am Prime Minister!".  It made me realise that any leader - whether in church, or in state - are still human beings with real emotions, vulnerabilities and can be hurt.  It was this moment that brought tears to my eyes for what I imagine &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/cj-mahaney/post/Why-Im-taking-a-leave-of-absence.aspx"&gt;C J Mahaney must be going through at this time&lt;/a&gt;.  I have made no secret of my dislike of his methods and decisions - but I realised in the cinema, what utter hurt Mahaney must feel in his mind - at the way that certain leaders have "turned on him".  Thatcher used to lead the United Kingdom.  Mahaney used to lead SGM.  Both human.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The one concerning thing I noticed was the very similar tactics used by both Thatcher and her politicians, and much of "celebrity" church leadership I see today.  I'm not quite sure of the difference anymore - other than one leader leads a country, another leads a church (or group of churches).  Forgive me for sounding dated - but I think what is missing from much of church leadership that is in the public eye is "the anointing".  I still remain very committed to Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones' description of the "sacred unction" that is needed (and missing) from so much of preaching.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Don't get me wrong - I love social networking, Twitter, the opportunities that the internet brings to spread the word of the gospel far and wide.  But I still am not persuaded that these "modern inventions" (as the Doctor would call them!) are necessary to bring about a revival of spiritual power that we so desperately need.  I think it's great the way that Mark Driscoll in Seattle, &lt;a href="http://www.gracechurchblog.com/"&gt;Nathan Smith and Pete Bowley in Bristol&lt;/a&gt; (in my opinion one of the best churches in the UK using social networking - alongside &lt;a href="http://www.cck.org.uk/"&gt;CCK in Brighton&lt;/a&gt;) and others particularly have really jumped on board and are using Twitter and the internet to spread the word that church is available and where they are!  But I do hope that Mark Driscoll (I know the Bristol leaders wouldn't) become dependent on his flashy back screen while he preaches to think that is essential to bring in the crowds.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is why &lt;a href="http://www.covlife.org/blog/terry_virgo_messages"&gt;Terry Virgo's ministry&lt;/a&gt; (alongside others such as Rob Rufus) means so much to me.  You can still sense the anointing on him when he preaches - and surely this is the example to seek to emulate.  Not investing &lt;a href="http://www.hisaor.org/web-content/ConflictHelp-RecMin-Fees.html"&gt;tithes in mediation fees&lt;/a&gt; or new technology for your church.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A quote from Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones to close;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;“When the Holy Spirit comes in revival there is a great anointing, and it shows itself in many ways. You read of men who had believed the truth, and who were preaching faithfully and regularly, but who were ineffective and lacking in power. &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Suddenly they are filled with power. They speak with boldness and with power and with great authority. That is the anointing of the Spirit&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; . . .&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;But this anointing is not confined to revival. I use that simply as an illustration. Thank God it is given at other times. Any man who has ever preached should be able to testify to this. &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;There are times when, entirely outside his own control, he is given a special authority, special power, an unction which is unusual&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;. And there are good reasons for its bestowal. There are circumstances which he himself is not always aware of, which he only discovers afterwards. Somebody may have come to the congregation who needed a particular message or word, and the preacher, without knowledge on his part, is guided to say something which is just appropriate to that particular state and condition. &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;There is, therefore, this special enduement of power which is called ‘the anointing’. It is something that one should seek and covet, it is something for which one should be constantly praying&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; . . .".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;(HT: &lt;a href="http://adrianwarnock.com/2008/03/ask-doctor-what-do-you-mean-by-uncion/"&gt;Adrian Warnock&lt;/a&gt; - emphases mine - David Martyn Lloyd-Jones, The Christian Soldier: An Exposition of Ephesians 6:10 to 20, Banner of Truth Trust, Edinburgh; Carlisle, PA, 1977, p.115)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-2345329187327869129?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/2345329187327869129/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=2345329187327869129&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2345329187327869129'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2345329187327869129'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2012/01/leadership-skills-according-to-iron.html' title='Leadership Skills According to the Iron Lady'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vSVxSviz7QM/TxMbuhYcwXI/AAAAAAAADso/e-_DdrntmAI/s72-c/Maggie.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-7805067023347008966</id><published>2012-01-14T06:14:00.003Z</published><updated>2012-01-14T06:28:57.649Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mark Driscoll'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='United Kingdom'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evangelism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Calvinism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Acceptance grace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Preaching'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Law'/><title type='text'>Toilet Mouth Driscoll is at it Again</title><content type='html'>Most know I have made no pretence of my dislike for Mark Driscoll.  His efforts to appear "manly" (putting down women, swearing in pulpits, wearing a Mickey Mouse T-shirt) really do less than impress me.  However - I have tried to see the good in his ministry.  Terry Virgo - a man I hugely respect - has had some interaction with him and I've tried to appreciate that.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But Driscoll just won't shut up and go away.  Not only has he know produced a "soft-core porn" sounding book on marriage and intimacy - which I fully admit I haven't read (and don't intend to - &lt;a href="http://www.challies.com/book-reviews/the-driscolls-and-real-marriage"&gt;Tim Challies fair review was enough&lt;/a&gt;) but apparently he has also written off most of the United Kingdom evangelical preachers!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.christiantoday.com/article/mark.driscoll.takes.aim.at.the.cowards.in.the.british.church/29159.htm"&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;“Let’s just say this: right now, name for me the one young, good Bible teacher that is known across Great Britain. You don’t have one – that’s the problem. &lt;u&gt;There are a bunch of cowards who aren't telling the truth&lt;/u&gt;.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It doesn't bother me personally.  I'm not "young" or a "Bible teacher".  But I wonder how the many fans that Driscoll has over here in the United Kingdom will feel about being assessed as "cowards who aren't telling the truth".  I wonder about Joel Virgo at CCK who I think is a fan, or Adrian Warnock or the many other Newfrontiers preachers who got excited about Driscoll's visit to the Newfrontiers Brighton conference recently?  I wonder about the SGM young excellent preachers in both Bristol and Newport who would surely fit closely theologically with him as Calvinist and Reformed?  Or as Krish Kandiah (&lt;a href="http://krishk.com/2012/01/driscoll-pearls-swine/"&gt;who reviewed Driscoll's comments&lt;/a&gt;) also notes;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"It doesn’t sound like Driscoll is rejoicing the ministry of Mike Pilavaci, Andy Croft, Jo Saxton and the impact these preachers are having on tens of thousands of young people each summer at Soul Survivor. Doesn’t sound like he’s particularly appreciative of Rico Tice coming from the other end of the theological spectrum whose course is being used by hundreds of churches. We can’t call Nicky Gumbel young anymore but I haven’t heard a lot of love coming from Mars Hill for Alpha either. Apparently he hasn’t got anything good to say about Karl Martin in Edinburgh nor Pete Greig at HTB or Ness Wilson in Loughborough".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Oh &lt;a href="http://pastormark.tv/2012/01/12/a-blog-for-the-brits"&gt;Driscoll has begun to try and retract his words already apparently&lt;/a&gt; (as he does quite frequently when he mouths off and then realises he has put his big size 10's in it).  I was more interested in the fact that he and his wife have a degree in communications rather than his "words of context" - that accuse the Christianity Today reporter of seeking to "inflame" his more controversial aspects to his ministry.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This hasn't really helped my attempts to see the good in Mark Driscoll's ministry.  I don't think we even bother wondering whether John Piper and C J Mahaney (who has far too many of his own troubles to be reigning in Driscoll) help "father" and "pastor" him anymore.  I am sad to say that all I see is an arrogant chauvinist who is working the media well (through his degree in communications) to stay famous, sell books and create newspaper headlines.  Maybe he's a potential candidate for next year's "Celebrity Big Brother".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However I will try not to huff off - offended for my country - but end with a &lt;a href="http://krishk.com/2012/01/driscoll-pearls-swine/"&gt;fair review assessment&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"There is lots to commend about Pastor Mark’s ministry – there is an evangelistic fervour, a cultural connectedness to their praise and worship that i have not seen anywhere else and passion for church planting which I can rejoice in. But please Mr Driscoll its time not just to “Man up” but “Grace up” your brothers and sisters in the UK need less judgmentalism and more encouragement".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-7805067023347008966?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/7805067023347008966/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=7805067023347008966&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/7805067023347008966'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/7805067023347008966'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2012/01/toilet-mouth-driscoll-is-at-it-again.html' title='Toilet Mouth Driscoll is at it Again'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-5647702737461158163</id><published>2011-12-20T08:33:00.003Z</published><updated>2011-12-20T08:36:46.549Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Covenant Life Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joshua Harris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Terry Virgo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Empowerings'/><title type='text'>Terry Virgo speaking at Covenant Life Church!!</title><content type='html'>I am so thrilled to watch and hear these videos of the wonderful Terry Virgo speaking to the dear folk at Covenant Life Church on the empowering of the Spirit.  It's so clear and so gentle yet powerful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's the video;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/33729393?portrait=0" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/33729393"&gt;Empowered by the Holy Spirit&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/covlife"&gt;Covenant Life Church&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com"&gt;Vimeo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-5647702737461158163?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/5647702737461158163/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=5647702737461158163&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/5647702737461158163'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/5647702737461158163'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/12/terry-virgo-speaking-at-covenant-life.html' title='Terry Virgo speaking at Covenant Life Church!!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-4972071470060174852</id><published>2011-12-11T12:22:00.004Z</published><updated>2011-12-11T12:36:45.401Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Covenant Life Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joshua Harris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Terry Virgo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Apostles'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><title type='text'>Terry Virgo at Covenant Life Church!</title><content type='html'>We are currently down in Bristol for the weekend celebrating my birthday with the family.  We were going to go to &lt;a href="http://www.gracechurchbristol.org/"&gt;Grace Church, Bristol&lt;/a&gt; to see the folks there - but decided to spend the day at home.  There were a couple of reasons for this.&lt;div&gt;   &lt;div&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 213px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-G0ozz3SGcAE/TuSjybEaUaI/AAAAAAAADsQ/naXOVW4glr0/s320/IMG_0150sm-520x346.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5684848716303454626" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;(By the way on the drive home - I did contemplate going across to &lt;a href="http://www.christchurchnewport.org/"&gt;Christchurch, Newport&lt;/a&gt; as I had so enjoyed my previous visit there.  However we heard that Dave Harvey will be the visiting preacher there today - so decided it would be best not to go this Sunday!).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The main reason is that I have been eagerly looking forward to hearing about &lt;a href="http://www.terryvirgo.org/"&gt;Terry Virgo's&lt;/a&gt; visit to &lt;a href="http://www.covlife.org/blog/terry_virgo"&gt;Covenant Life Church&lt;/a&gt;.  This is a church where I have a couple of friends who are involved and I have been very much in prayer for them as they walk through this difficult season.  I know and love Terry's ministry very much - and so was very in faith that his visit there will bear much fruit!  And it seemed much fruit indeed has already been born from his first message yesterday (Saturday). &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here's what one of my friends had to say about it;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Well, Terry Virgo spoke tonight (Saturday) at CLC. The meeting was very obviously charismatic and lasted four (4) hours. Terry gave two messages, one on prayer and one on the empowering of the Holy Spirit.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;Afterward about &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;half the congregation&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; went forward to pray for an experience with the Holy Spirit. Quite a few people started speaking in tongues, some apparently for the first time. There were many including several teenagers who stayed kneeling or standing there around an hour joyfully praying and worshiping God, eyes closed, oblivious to anyone else. This was a powerful experience and definitely a real sight to see.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is certainly debatable whether CLC is fully reformed. &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;It is no longer debatable at all that CLC is charismatic&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I firmly believe in the ministry of apostles today - and in my mind - one of the primary fruits of an apostle visiting a local church is to act as a catalyst for the work of the Holy Spirit and the Presence of God in that community.  They are ministries gifted by the risen Lord to do this.  That is one of the reasons why I was glad that C J Mahaney, Dave Harvey and the rest of the "SGM Board" desisted from using the term "apostles" or "apostolic team".  I only experienced apostolic fruit from &lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/"&gt;Brent Detweiler's ministry&lt;/a&gt; when he came to Celebration UK.  The other men - I certainly respected as gifted teachers and preachers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So we will look forward again today to seeing Terry's ministry to the dear folk at Covenant Life Church and be full of faith that this visit will bear them much fruit.  Half the congregation went forward for prayer!  Surely there is much hunger there!  And God being good and gracious seems to be filling that need!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-4972071470060174852?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/4972071470060174852/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=4972071470060174852&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/4972071470060174852'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/4972071470060174852'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/12/terry-virgo-at-covenant-life-church.html' title='Terry Virgo at Covenant Life Church!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-G0ozz3SGcAE/TuSjybEaUaI/AAAAAAAADsQ/naXOVW4glr0/s72-c/IMG_0150sm-520x346.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-95452452834498722</id><published>2011-12-09T15:07:00.003Z</published><updated>2011-12-09T17:16:46.231Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Covenant Life Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church History'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='New Covenant Church Dunstable'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><title type='text'>Re-Writing History - or Säuberung!!</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "&gt;Wikipedia writes;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "&gt;&lt;i&gt;"On 6 April 1933, the Main Office for &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_media" title="News media" style="font-style: italic; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; text-align: -webkit-auto; "&gt;Press&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; text-align: -webkit-auto; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "&gt; and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda" title="Propaganda" style="font-style: italic; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; text-align: -webkit-auto; "&gt;Propaganda&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; text-align: -webkit-auto; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "&gt; of the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=German_Student_Association&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="German Student Association (page does not exist)" style="font-style: italic; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(186, 0, 0); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; text-align: -webkit-auto; "&gt;German Student Association&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; text-align: -webkit-auto; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "&gt; (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; text-align: -webkit-auto; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "&gt;&lt;a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Studentenschaft" class="extiw" title="de:Deutsche Studentenschaft" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(51, 102, 187); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "&gt;de:Deutsche Studentenschaft&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; text-align: -webkit-auto; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "&gt;) proclaimed a nationwide "Action against the Un-German Spirit", which was to climax in a literary purge or "cleansing" ("Säuberung") by fire".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  &gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 254px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8Ds_Rx-AtYc/TuJCDfH1xkI/AAAAAAAADsE/CVeh2q66VAE/s320/1933-may-10-berlin-book-burning.JPG" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5684178307356411458" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;The scenes are now well known in history volumes.  Scenes of Nazis marching around heaps of books on fire.  Around 25, 000 volumes were apparently burned.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;There are very few things that enrage me to the point of fury - but injustice is one of them.  In my meagre 34 years of life (just turned 34 yesterday!) I have seen two attempts made in the church to erase or alter history to the liking of it's leaders.  And I cannot fathom why or how this is acceptable or in line with the Word of God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;1.  The first incidence was at my home church in Dunstable.  The elders under the leadership of Stanley Jebb (a man - incidentally I hold still in the highest esteem) made the decision to &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;ERASE&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; the ministry teaching audio tapes of the last 10 years of the church.  These ministry tapes including visiting preachers such as Dr Ern Baxter, Charles Simpson, Terry Virgo and of course Jebb himself.  The limited explanation I was given from the elders when I questioned this decision was that it was a "sincere" decision in line with the church's move from a reformed/Charismatic position to a functionally cessationist position.  Fortunately I was able to rescue most of Ern Baxter's ministry tapes or a massive portion of my hero's ministry would have been lost.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;2.  The second incidence was more recent yet has been widely documented.  It is well known that Covenant Life Church was founded and established along with People of Destiny International by Larry Tomczak &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;AND&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; C J Mahaney.  However until this month - the history of Covenant Life Church and now-SGM firmly made &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;NO&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; mention of Larry's involvement or part to play in the history of this group of churches.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;The history of CLC &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;USED&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; to read;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;"In the 1970s, a weekly meeting known as “Take and Give” (TAG) drew thousands to the D.C. area for passionate Bible teaching. C.J. Mahaney, a young preacher converted in the wake of the Jesus Movement, was one of the leaders of TAG’s successful ministry. He longed for something more than an assembly of loosely connected Christians. C.J. and other leaders wanted to build a local church like those they saw modeled in the New Testament".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;But thanks to the integrity and honesty of Joshua Harris and the other pastors, &lt;a href="http://www.covlife.org/about/story"&gt;it is has now been corrected to read&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Over a four-year period in the 1970s, a meeting known as “Take and Give” (TAG) began drawing as many as 2000 per week to Washington, D.C., for passionate Bible teaching and worship. C.J. Mahaney and Larry Tomczak, both young preachers converted in the wake of the Jesus Movement, were the leaders of TAG’s successful ministry. But they longed for something more than an assembly of loosely connected Christians and wanted to build a local church like those they saw modeled in the New Testament".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;What I see in the Bible is the honouring and the preservation of history.  For example in the Old Testament - the children of Israel were told to build a pile of stones to remember the Lord's working and involvement with His people in the past.  The best church leaders are those who sincerely realise they have made mistakes and are happy to learn from them - such as Josh Harris seems to be doing.  I hope the Bride of Christ will stop this really worrying practice - because what the internet is doing is preventing more and more the altering and erasing of history.  And even if history can be altered and re-written - people do not forget their experiences of God.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: -webkit-auto;"&gt;I have written some blog posts on this blog that I blush to read - usually my angry vitrioles against SGM!  But I have deliberately left them - because it is important to remember the effect that anger, mistrust and bitterness can have.  I am so blessed that I can now sit happily in the same room as the SGM UK pastors and even hear them preach with no problems.  The wonder of forgiveness and reconciliation!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-95452452834498722?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/95452452834498722/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=95452452834498722&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/95452452834498722'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/95452452834498722'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/12/re-writing-history-or-sauberung.html' title='Re-Writing History - or Säuberung!!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8Ds_Rx-AtYc/TuJCDfH1xkI/AAAAAAAADsE/CVeh2q66VAE/s72-c/1933-may-10-berlin-book-burning.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-8956285924041656206</id><published>2011-12-06T10:17:00.003Z</published><updated>2011-12-07T20:45:54.175Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dave Harvey'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church History'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><title type='text'>Social Networking is Transforming the Church!</title><content type='html'>I've been thinking for a while how social networking (firstly blogs and then Twitter and Facebook) have been forcing change upon churches and particularly church leadership.  Some church leaders like C J Mahaney and Dave Harvey are seeing the social networking medium as negative - and are seeing the open forum that many victims of SGM have as "assaults" and "attacks".&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But what if there was a way to see it positively?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My friends Dee and Debs over at the "Wartburg Watch" &lt;a href="http://thewartburgwatch.com/2011/12/05/rewriting-history-sgm-style/"&gt;wrote their version of the new rules&lt;/a&gt; that the perhaps more authoritarian pastors can expect;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In case you haven't noticed, there is a new set of rules in effect.  Here are SEVEN of them:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(1)  No longer can a pastor control his own press.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(2)  The pulpit is no longer a one-way microphone. Because of the internet and blogs, there are so many microphones that it has become a dialogue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(3)  While pastors may perceive things to be one way, they need to assume that people are going to dig down deep for the truth and not just take the pastor at his word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(4)  Some pastors have been clamoring to be noticed, and they should not be surprised that some who come and take a look may not like what they see and dare to say so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(5)  Remember, anything a pastor puts on the internet lasts forever.  If he attempts to remove the evidence, he needs to keep in mind that folks these days are savvy.  They are documenting information BEFORE it is removed, and it will show up again…&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(6)  We highly recommend that pastors refrain from editing out portions of their sermons they put online or altering their transcripts.  People are listening and taking notes…&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(7)  If you chastise from the pulpit, expect to be chastised in a comparable forum like the internet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Guys, it's a whole new ballgame.  Batter up!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-8956285924041656206?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/8956285924041656206/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=8956285924041656206&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8956285924041656206'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8956285924041656206'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/12/social-networking-is-transforming.html' title='Social Networking is Transforming the Church!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-9018209469153252631</id><published>2011-12-04T16:26:00.003Z</published><updated>2011-12-04T16:35:45.217Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ultimate Triumph'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kingdom God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ern Baxter'/><title type='text'>Thy Kingdom WILL Come!!</title><content type='html'>It occured to me today that I have been guilty of becoming swamped by SGM and it's problems and the hypocrisy of some of their leaders.  I care deeply about SGM having spent some time there and still seeing my family there.  I love and care deeply about the good, innocent, genuine lovers of Jesus Christ who want to serve and glorify Him.  And I care deeply about the wrongs, and abuses that have been carried out in the name of church leadership.  SGM have virtually wrecked the majority of my hope in the church.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But I remembered today the words of Ern Baxter - when he spoke about rising and soaring like eagles.  The eagle does not allow himself to get entrenched in the mud but rises and soars into the sunlight rays!  So I made myself listen and hear and rejoice in Ern's classic sermon; "Thy Kingdom Come!".  It's still true - and "I the Lord do not change".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here's the transcript;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 296px; height: 320px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tCW9a9xqh7Q/TtuhOn-3DfI/AAAAAAAADr4/NU66IHscmI8/s320/Ern%2Bat%2BShepherds%2BConference.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5682312627480890866" /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;"Thy Kingdom Come!" - Kansas City Shepherds Conference 1975&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would hope that every minister or spokesman of God has a "Now" moment when God seems to anoint their ministry so powerfully that it seems heaven has come down. I don't think I will be contradicted if I say that Ern Baxter's message on "Thy Kingdom Come" at Kansas City in 1975 was quite possibly his crowning moment of his service to God. The anointing on this message make it a "Must Hear" for anyone interested in his preaching.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is interesting to hear what Charles Simpson had to say on this message: "In 1975, Ern ministered in the closing session of the Kansas City Shepherds' Conference. Nearly 5000 men had gathered; His message was "Thy Kingdom Come." As the message closed, they pulled off their shoes and bowed in God's presence. As they left the auditorium, they sang, "He is Lord." The men sang through the streets of Kansas City. Many people have said that it was the single most powerful meeting that they ever attended, and that the message was the most inspiring that they had ever heard".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It HAS to be heard and read! It is my passionate prayer that everyone who reads these words has their vision of God, His Kingdom and His Spirit dynamited. That you rise up fired up like never before to know God and His Glory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"I had composed what I thought were some rather clever introductory remarks which now, in the atmosphere of this momentous gathering, seem to have become inappropriate. I sense the Presence of God in this final meeting in a confirmatory way that serves to underline what I have felt all week - that we have been in the Presence of the Living Word of God. That we have not only been ministered to out of the hearts and minds of gifted men, but we have been ministered to on a higher level that marks times of special direction that God gives to His people, when He lifts us up into special dimensions of awareness and insight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Earlier this week Charles Simpson was referring to some related brothers and he spoke of various characteristics of the different men in the group. He said that one of the brothers was always referring to things "in the larger perspective" ... I'm the brother. In speaking to you about "Thy Kingdom Come", that's exactly what I'm going to attempt to do. I'm going to try on this last night to describe the larger perspective of what God is doing - the significance of the practicalities you heard described by experienced and dedicated men. The very practical remarks of John Poole and Larry Christenson and the other speakers have ministered to our needs. I have appreciated the men and their messages. I have been fed and edified.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I feel that to inspire our hearts to respond to those practical teachings, our faith must be charged and sustained by understanding that we are part of a cosmic scheme inaugurated by God and intended by God to be carried out until the entire universe acknowledges that Jesus Christ is Lord ... to the glory of God the Father. (*applause*).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. God's Reign.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God has a problem in communicating with us. The problem is to communicate His infinite mind to our finite understanding. Therefore He gathers up all of our human relationships and uses each of them as metaphors to transmit some understanding of an aspect of His own character. Therefore when we speak of "King" or "Kingdom", God makes use of these expressions to give us some understanding of His own authority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I like Doctor Moffat's translation of the "Kingdom of God". He speaks of it as "The Reign of God" - God's reign. It's the manifest authority of an infinately loving and holy God. It's His authority coming into a time/space world and bringing men into a willing obedience to the order of God. Using this metaphor of a King, the Word of God indicates that God has always been absolute sovereign. There has never been a time when God was not in total charge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bible tries to tell us in simple language of the ultimacy of God. There is none before Him. There is none beside Him. He takes orders from none. He was created by none. He is Life - Self-Existent. There is nothing in Him that should be out of Him. Nothing out of Him that should be in Him. He remembers nothing because He's forgotten nothing. He learns nothing because there is nothing He does not know. He does not need to know because He holds all truth simultaneously. He is the God of the Eternal Now. He can look at human history from the beginning or the end or the middle - for all things are known to Him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bible tells us that "The Lord has established His throne in the heavens and His sovereignity rules over all" (Ps 103:19 - NAS). The marginal note says, "all" means "the universe". God is the King of the Cosmos. Psalm 29:10 says "The Lord sat as King at the flood; yes the Lord sits as King forever" (NAS) or as another translation says, "Over the ages". He is the God who out of His eternal "nowness" spun the time/space world into existence. He sits outside of it in powerful authority yet He is involved within it in incarnate humility. He is the cosmic King. It is the nature of our God that within the mystery of the plurality of His own Person, there is order. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Or as an old Puritan divine once said, "God in Himself is a sweet society".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The order of God's ultimate purpose is to be seen in His own Person. And within the mystery of His Person - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - there is absolute unity while there is inexplicable submission. The Father sent the Son and the Son came. The Son returned to the Father and the Father and the Son sent the Spirit and the Spirit came. Within these three Persons that are co-equal, co-substantial and co-essential, there is evident submission and this serves as the highest lesson to us that God is a God of order. Or as Bishop Hooker once said, "Order is heaven's first law".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Kingdom of God we are speaking of is not some euphoric, ethereal mystic matter. We're talking of order. We are talking of man coming into the fulness of his self-realization, into his ultimate destiny as the image of God functioning in interpersonal relationships and in community until a waiting universe sees God projecting Himself out of the eternity of His Person into a community of redeemed men and women that are to be everlasting praise of His glory. (*applause*).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That company of mysterious creation, the angels is marked by order. We read of seraphim and cherubim, archangels and angels and we read of God sustaining that order. We read of the covering cherub, Lucifer, who probably was the one whom we now call Satan, who at one time was the "top" cherub in the hierarchy of the angelic order. He rose up in rebellion against God and was cast from his high place. We are reminded again and again that within the order of God, in a pre-Adamic situation in the heavenlies, that God meted out punishment and judgement and maintained order.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The God who maintained order in the angelic species is the God who is establishing and will bring ultimate order in the redeemed community. In the world of men, He established His first man Adam and gave him rule over the earth. He made him a ruler and Adam became the first delegated human authority in the earth. Satan himself having been thrust out of a place of authority, moved in on God's creation and subtly entered the human situation of Adam and Eve. Eve yielded to the sinister and subtle seductions of Satan. Adam joined her in eating the forbidden fruit, both of them abdicating in favour of what they considered to be a better offer. Human independence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Satan's first lie to Adam was that if he would move out from under divine order, he would find himself in a most enviable position - he would be equal to God. He would be able to spin his own world off the end of his creative fingertips. He would be able to have his own angelic order. He would be like God. God had been holding out on him! Real life did not lie in submission to God. Real life lay in man coming out from under that submission and establishing an independent posture and so doing his own thing. And so sin has it's initial definition. "All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned everyone to his own way" (Isaiah 53:6). Turned everyone to his own way!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But that is not the whole story. For as Satan seduced Eve and lured her out from under the authority of God and His order, they thought they were coming out to a position of independence and coequality with God. Instead they came out only to be dominated by the one who had seduced them and drawn them away from God. The Bible tells us that every man who is not under divine authority is not only doing his own thing, but he has adequate and able assistance from demonic powers (Ephesians 2:1-2). Disobedience means that a man has come out from under divine order to do his own thing. And to withdraw our submission to divine order us to automatically come under the deceptive influence of Satan himself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Satan's inital lie was followed by a series of lies for our Lord said that he was a liar from the beginning. His lie started as a bluff and he continues to impose it on many men to this day - Christians included. That lie is that when Adam abdicated his authority, Satan took it over - that when Adam fell, Satan got the authority over the earth. Satan has imposed this lie on generation after generation of men. As a result, many Christians today consider Satan to be almost coequal with God and there is some kind of titanic struggle going on for ultimate authority - the outcome of which is not yet decided. This is not the case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When Adam abdicated authority, Satan didn't get it. God reached down and took the scroll of authority out of Adam's hands and said, "I'll keep it until One comes who can handle it" (*applause*). I suggest that we all memorise and quote Psalm 24:1 as we rise each morning. "The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof - the world and all that dwells therein". Satan has been trying to bluff men for centuries into believing that he has the authority. You reply, "But he is referred to as the prince of this world - the god of this world". Indeed he is, but as we've already been told in this convention - we must learn to define our terms of reference.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm in the world and he's not my god nor my prince. Nor is he your god or your prince. Therefore we must find out what world he is prince over and god over. He is prince and god over the world of moral intelligences that are willingly submitted to his lying reign. He is not king of my world - he is not god of my world. For I am in a world that belongs to the Lord! I am in a world which God is sovereign over. I'm in a world that has always belonged to God, always will belong to God and which one day will be regenerated and refurbished to become the dwelling place of a community of men and women who have been prepared to manifest God's glory and righteousness in it. (*applause*).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You may well ask, "If God retrieved order and authority when Adam abdicated it, how then did He handle it?". The Word of God is clear in Hebrews 1:1, 2 that "God who in diverse manners in times past spake unto our fathers by the prophets hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son". God undertook from the time of Adam's abdication to speak to men through prophetic voices. He reigned from heaven and if you'll carefully read the Old Testament Scriptures you'll find that He spoke through prophetic voices. For by definition a prophet is one who speaks for Another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Satan thought that he had the authority, but God had it all the time. He spoke His authority through prophets. Prophets anointed kings. Prophets declared the will of God. Prophets in the earth were inspired to mediate God's divine authority. They did so for the thousands of years until God's Ultimate Prophet came on the scene: God's final Voice, God's ultimate manifestation, God's own darling Son whom He plucked from His bosom and into whom He poured all the riches of His wisdom and grace. This beloved One came down "for us men and for our salvation" to become God's final voice, to become the pattern Son, to become the ideal Man after whom He would pattern a whole community of redeemed ones. God chose to speak through prophets until Jesus came - whose right it was to reign.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. "I Will Build My Church!".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"There are three significant men in the Old Testament to whom we relate: Adam, Abraham and David. We relate to Adam racially, we relate to Abraham redemptively and we relate to David royally. It is interesting that in the genealogy of our Lord in Luke, He is spoken of as "the Son of Adam". And in Matthew's geneology in chapter 1, He is referred to as "the Son of David" and "the Son of Abraham". Therefore our Lord is traced back to these three men.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We all know what it means that He is the Son of Adam and we know what it means that He is the Son of Abraham. But we are only beginning to realise what it means that He is the Son of David. It is also interesting that in all the Gospel birth references to our Lord's coming into the world in miraculous incarnation, He is related to David. I searched in vain in the Scriptures for any announcement of Him in relationship to Adam or to Abraham. He is related to David because only David represents in the Old Testament Scriptures the ultimate purpose of Mashiach (Messiah) in the finalization of God's redemptive purpose.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This causes me to wonder if now, as God is calling us to corporiety and community, we are not beginning to realize Kingdom life and authority. For years, we have attracted men to the Jesus Christ Who is the Seed of Abraham. When Paul in writing his Epistle to the Romans, gives us a treatise on the nature of salvation, he refers us to Abraham. But when he's addressing the Corinthians about the corporate community life, he relates us instead to Moses and to the corporate body of the Old Testament community of which David was Israel's greatest king. In Abraham we have individual salvation. But in the nation we have corporate salvation and the corporate salvation of the nation is represetend by God's king "after His own heart" - King David.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Matthew 16 our Lord made the announcement of His purpose. He said, "Who do men say that I am?". They replied, "Some say You're this one and some say You're that one". But He said, "Who do you say that I am?". Peter said, "Thou art the Christ the Son of the Living God". "Blessed art thou Simon Bar-jona" said our Lord, "for flesh and blood have not revealed this unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven". Then came His declaration: "I will build My Church" and "I give unto you the keys of the Kingdom" (Matthew 15:13-19).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now when He said, "I will build My Church", I think the emphasis is on "My". The word "church" is an interesting word. It's the Greek word ecclesia. Both to a Greek and a Hebrew it would have had significance. To the Hebrew, it is that word used in Greek to translate the Hebrew word for 'congregation' which is used over 70 times in the Septuagent version. Therefore what He was saying to the Hebrews was "I will build My congregation". There was only one other person who led a 'congregation' or 'church' (Acts 7:38). So in the book of Hebrews we're told that Moses was faithful as servant in the Lord's house but Christ is Son over the house.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's also interesting that in the Book of Revelation that they sing the song of Moses and the Lamb. Now what was Jesus saying? When He said, "I will build My church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it", it was also a commentary to Moses' church. Moses had his church. He brought his church through the wilderness but he couldn't take his church in. And when eventually his church did go in under Joshua, they still didn't succeed in God's purpose. Moses church was to be the theocratic, national evangelistic centre of the world. It was to establish a theocracy at the heart of the earth that would become the voice of God throughout all the nations. Psalm 48 said it was to be the joy of the whole earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But division and dissension brouke it up and so it dwindled away so that when Jesus came, He to look at what was left of the congregation of Moses and say to them, "Your house is left unto you desolate - and the kingdom is taken from you and given to a nation bearing forth the fruits thereof" (Matthew 23:38; 21:43). But Jesus declared, "Now I will build My church. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against My church. The gates of hell prevailed against Moses church, but not against My church. My church is going to be a successful chruch. I declare it - I affirm it. I determine it. My church will be a successful church".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For years we have interpreted this negatively. We've said, "I'm in the Church and thank God, the devil can't get at me. The gates of hell cannot prevail". So we have huddled together, feeling protected by that Word of the Lord. I don't think that's primarily what He meant. Personally I have never been attacked by a gate (*laughter*). I've never had a gate jump off it's hinges and chase me down the street (*laughter and applause*). So what is our Lord saying by this?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He's saying, "I am God's ultimate purpose. There is nothing beyond Me. There's nothing after Me. I have come to do God's ultimate thing. I will build a congregation that will succeed. They will kick the gates of hell in. They'll frustrate Satan's plans. They'll break up his most finest, most sophisticated schemes. I am going to have a congregation that will not fail as Moses did. I am going to have a people who will come under the reign of My Father and who will become indeed, a theocratic community in the earth that will attract the attention of all men". Therefore all nations will be forced to declare that the sending of Jesus Christ was the ultimate answer to earth's need of an alternate society; for they will recognise that His followers are indeed a counter-culture, a community of men and women who have got it together and truly represent the life of the Trinity and the community of heaven in a time/space world".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"When Jesus came into the world in the humiliation of the Incarnation, He started on a route of conquest that took Him through the lonely years prior to His introduction at the muddy waters of Jordan, when the bony prophet finger of John the Baptist was pointed at Him and those significant words were uttered, "Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29). For some thirty three and a half years He overcame and lived an impeccable life so that it was said of Him, "He was tempted in all points like as we, yet without sin".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His impeccable life was followed by a decisive death. He went to Calvary to endure inexplicable and incomparable suffering; suffering that we can only have a hint of; suffering that we can only look at curiously and sometimes with a sob in our throats; suffering surrounded by torn rocks and a sun that refuses to shine and an earth that writhes in agony as He hangs there alone. And as He hangs there, God reaches down His giant fist and gathers up the accumulated sins of men and places them upon Him. He became the sin-centre of the universe so that it is later said of Him, "He was made sin for us who knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the awful loneliness of Calvary, He made His soul an offering for sin; and the sin of the world was placed upon Him and the bolts of God's wrath were released upon Him. He became an offering for sin and He gave up the ghost and came down from the mystery of His sufferings having finished the work. What men saw was a man hanging limp - every bone out of joint, a swollen tongue protruding from burning lips as He cried out, "It is finished!". They didn't know what was going on. But the veil of revelation is drawn back for us and we are told by Paul that something was going on in the darkness of that awful hour. He was tying a chain around the neck of the demonic world. He was dragging them across the stage of the cosmos. The Bible says, "He was making a show of them openly ... triumphing over them in His cross". He was dealing with sin. He was dealing with the old Adamic society. He was making an end of the old orer of sin and death and when He had done it in the mystery of His cross, He said, "It is finished!" (*applause*).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then He went down to make His annoucement (*applause and cheers*). The Apostle's Creed says, "He descended into hell" or Hades. I'm not going to take time to document all of these things or enter into argument about them. But I believe He went down and through the authority of what He had just accomplished at Calvary, He confronted Satan himself as He stood at the portals of the world of Hades. And He said to him, "I'll take the keys" (*applause*). Satan retorted, "I've been waiting for You for about 4, 000 years. I was there in the garden of Eden and I heard my sentence. I was told that Someone was going to come along and crush my head. I've been waiting for You and I've been killing people off all along the historical line because I thought they were the ones. But here You are. Now get in there with the rest of them. They're all in there".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Who was in there? Abraham and Issac and Jacob and Isaiah and Malachi - they were all waiting in Paradise. In fact just before our Lord had gone to His Cross, two of them - Moses and Elias - came up on the Mount of Transfiguration to have a conversation with Jesus the Messiah. The Bible tells us what they spoke about. They "spake of His decease which He should accomplish at Jerusalem" (Luke 9:31). And they said to the Lord, "Everybody's excited down in Paradise. There's great excitement down there Maschiach. We've been appointed as a committee to come up and tell you that everything's all astir down there (*cheers*). When we left Isaiah wanted to come. He said, "This is the greatest day. I wrote about this and now it's coming to pass!". They said, "Abraham was right behind ... he ... he wanted to come too. But we were appointed to come and tell You that we're so grateful for what You're doing. There are thousands of us down there! Everything's all astir!" (*applause*).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why? Because under the Old Covenant, the bloods of bulls and of goats couldn't take away sin. There were men down in Paradise clutching in their fist their credit notes - for they were down there with promissary notes! (*applause*). Every time an Israelite laid his hands on a lamb and transmitted his sin, that lamb died in his place. But that at best was a credit note to be redeemed by the most precious blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. They had beeen waiting for the time when their credit notes would be redeemed and the time had finally come.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So Jesus came down from His Cross and confronted the satanic prince and He said, "I'll take those keys". Satan said, "No one has ever talked to me like this before" (*applause*). Jesus replied, "No one had the authority to before. But as God's King, as the One who has now been given authority as God's delegated Sovereign, I am in charge now. I'll take the keys". Satan handed Him the keys. Then Jesus went over to the unrighteous section, opened the door and looked in and pronounced that they had been righteously judged for having rejected God's counsel under the old economy. Then He shut the door and left them there. But then He turned to the gate of Paradise and opened and said, "Come on - let's go" (*applause and cheers*).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They started up the steps of ascension and when they got as far as Jerusalem, some of those Old Testament saints said, "Master, do you mind if we have a stop-over ticket? We'd like to spend a few hours in the old hometime - we haven't seen it for centuries!" (*applause and laughter*). According to the Bible, the bodies of many of the saints were seen at that time in the streets of Jerusalam (Matthew 27:52, 53). After visiting the old home town they continued their journey.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Up and up they went until they came in sight of the ramparts of glory. Then this great crowd of the Old Testament redeemed who were moving Paradise into better quarters cried out, "Lift up your heads, O gates and be lifted up O ancient doors that the King of Glory may come in!". But it wasn't that easy for the angelic protectors hurled back their challenge over the ramparts of glory saying, "Who is this King of Glory?". The saints replied, "He is the Lord strong and mighty! He is the Lord mighty in battle!" (*applause*). "He is the One whohas just come freshly from the battlefield of Golgotha where single-handedly He dealt a death blow to all of Satan's plans and purposes. Where single-handedly He bore the sins of men, where single-handedly He cut off the old Adamic order, where single-handedly He died a decisive death meeting the demands of God and the requirements for man. He is the Lord strong and mighty - the Lord mighty in battle. Now ... will you 'lift up your heads O ye gates? Lift them up O ancient doors that the King of Glory may come in!".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And again unsatisfied, the challenge rang out, "Who is this King of Glory?". The triumphant response came back again, "He is the Lord of hosts! He is the King of Glory! He is the One who is in charge of all the angelic hosts! But not only that - He is the King now of a multitude which no man can number! He is God's delegated authority! He is the One who is to bring to God the fruit of His purposes! He is the King of Glory - NOW - swing back those gates and let the King of Glory come in!".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And finally the gates swing back and He enters in - steps up to the Father's throne and presents the tokens of His redemption. The Father says, "Sit down Son at My right hand and reign until Thy enemies are made Thy footstool!" (*Thunderous applause and cheers*).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Now I don't wish to enter into eschatological debate tonight. I want to simply affirm my faith ... my faith in what I believe the Word of God teaches, with all due deference to what others may think. But I believe that when Jesus sat down at the right hand of God, the Father meant what He said. He said, "Sit at My right hand until ...". That's a time word. And I don't think He is going to leave the right hand of God "until". He's going to sit there until His enemies are subdued. He's going to accomplish this from heaven and when He's got it done, then He will turn the Kingdom over to the Father. But He's not going to do that until He's done the job He's supposed to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Father said, "You sit here Son, and You sit here until You finish the job and then hand it to Me finished. You sit here and rule and reign until Your enemies are made Your footstool". Paul picks up this statement and weaves it into the New Testament revelation when he says, "He must reign until ... He has put all His enemies under His feet" (1 Corinthians 15:25). When our Lord rose from the dead He made a pronouncement. He said, "All authority is given unto Me in heaven" and for years we have stopped there in our eschatological scheme. He has all authority and He reigns in benign joy not only "in heaven" but also "in earth".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't know of anything that has paralysed the purposes of God more in the earth than the teaching that Christ's authority is presently limited and the "reign of God" in the "now" on earth is not a possibility. I believe that He has all authority in the earth now. He's not only the King of heaven, He's the King of earth. He's the King of Russia. He's the King of China. He's the King of the United States. He's the King of Canada, the King of Europe, Asia, Africa ... He's the King of all the earth even now! (*applause*).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I must confess that it is only in recent years that I have found David in the New Testament. I found Adam there and I found Abraham but I hadn't found David. By that I mean I hadn't found David in the historical and eschatological significance that the New Testament attaches to him. That Jesus was "of the seed of David" - of course I knew He was. He was in the Messianic line and that seemed to be all it meant. There didn't seem to be any real connection between David and Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now I had seen that there was a typical relationship betwen Adam and Jesus for Paul says that Adam was "a type of Christ, Him who was to come" (Romans 5:14, NAS). And there was a historical relationship with Abraham for it was Abraham's "seed" that was going to bless the nations of the earth. But not until recently did I realise the significant role that David played in God's plan and His relationship to David. For David prefigured Christ as God's delegated King. When Jesus came into the world, He came into the world as the Son of David. He came in as the King of the Jews. He came in as the King of all those that are redeemed, so that under His authority the redeemed community might become the means by whereby He would establish God's sovereign right to reign in His own redeemed earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now continuing with this theme of David and Jesus I would like you to turn to Acts chapter 2. And I'm not going to ask you to read verse 4. (*laughter*). When we come to verse 29, we find Peter speaking of David's prophetic perception of the Messiah:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Brethren I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried and his tomb is with us to this day. And so because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn an oath to seat one of his descendents upon his throne, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of Christ" (Acts 2:29-31 NAS).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now I don't want to quibble but it doesn't say that he spoke of the second coming of Christ. I think there's something here of deep significance that we've missed. As a result, it's paralysed us in the realization of the things that we have heard this week and which have been offered to us as present possibilities. When I heard Ralph Martin talk about a counter-culture and all that is going on, my heart leaped within me until I could hardly keep my seat. For I believe that in this hour, God is bringing into focus a fact that has been distorted for many many years, and that is:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God's purpose is not to redeem a bunch of people to sit at a bus stop and wait for the bus to come along and get them out of the world's mess. Rather God has redeemed them and cleaned them up and put Himself into them that He may send them back in to clean up the mess and be "the salt of the earth" and the "light of the world" so that with the power of the gospel they may vindicate God's purpose in the death and resurrection of His Son.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now I believe that the second coming of Christ is the hope of the believer but I don't believe it holds out any hope to the sinner. It is the sinner's damnation - it is the sinner's judgement. Therefore if the sinner is to be helped, either individually or corporately there is only one way that God has designed to help him. That is by the power of the gospel. For the gospel is is the power of God unto salvation. And if it's the power then there is no "the-er" power.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And if Jesus Christ has all power in earth, there is no "all-er" power. He'll never have more power than He has now. If He's got it all, there's no more to be had. He's got it now and He is using that power in the gospel - not only individually but corporately, that in the redeemed community He may manifest the glory of God to the world! I believe the ultimate form of evangelism in this age of grace is going to be the manifestation of God's redeeming power through the total life of a redeemed community that demonstrates what the gospel can do in every area of human life both individually and corporately.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Acts 2:30-33, Peter declares that David was "a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to set one of his descendants upon his throne" and so,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"He looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of Christ that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay. This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God and having received from the Father, the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear" (NAS).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am stressing the fact that the Pentecostal outpouring is related to David brethren, and I want you to hold that firmly in your mind now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself said, 'The Lord said to my Lord; "Sit at My right hand until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet". Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ - this Jesus whom you crucified" (vv 34-36, NAS).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now what came back from heaven after Jesus' ascension? That which came back from heaven was the coronation oil that had been poured on the on the head of David's greater Son - the new King. For "we see Him crowned with glory and honour" (Hebrews 2:9). As He ascended into the Presence of the Father and sat upon His throne, He was anointed with the holy anointing oil of universal kingship, and that oil descended on the day of Pentecost and covered and flooded and possessed and impressed and impelled men and women to become authorities for Jesus Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And filled with the Holy Spirit they went out to challenge and to charm and to change the life of Jerusalem and the life of Judea and the life of Samaria and to reach the uttermost parts of the earth until the whole world knew that something had happened on the day of Pentecost - that King Jesus had shared the anointing oil of His ultimate authority with the royal community on the day of Pentecost. I believe brethren, that what is happening worldwide in this hour is unprecedented. This visitation of the Holy Spirit is not just to give us goose-bumps and teach us to play the tambourines and sing new choruses. That's all part of the package but there's something more important than all of that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is God's almighty purpose being revealed that at the end of this age He is going to manifest His glory in the redeeemed community. This outpouring of the Holy Spirit is not only an outpouring of blessing - it's an outpouring of authority. He is establishing spiritual authority in the earth so that He may in this hour bring into existance His Kingdom in power and answer the prayers of multiplied thousands through the centuries who have interceded by saying, "Thy Kingdom Come!" (*prolonged applause*).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"When Jesus ascended on high, He undertook the government of the universe. The Bible says the government was placed upon His shoulders. I ask you to turn please to Ephesians 4 and verse 8 and look at the order of God's government. Let me remind you that we're still talking about His ascension.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Therefore it says, 'When He ascended on high, He leed captive a host of captives and He gave gifts to men. (Now this expression, He ascended, what does it mean except that He had also descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things) ... By giving some as apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as pastors (or shepherds) and teachers for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to teh building up of the body of Christ until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fulness of Christ" (vv8-13, NAS).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now I submit, brothers, that what is stated here is this: when Christ rose and sat at the right hand of God, there was committed to Him the absolute government of the universe. It was for Him to determine what should be done to bring about the purposes of God. In turn He chose to do it by the sovereign appointment of apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds and teachers who would bring into existence a community of men and women - each of whom would know his place of service. In addition they would be reproductive and recreative until there came a body of men and women in the earth who could be compared to a corporate mature man which would resemble Christ in its corporiety.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What He was in His incarnate power and life, they would become in their corporate power and life. He was going to appoint them, anoint them and equip them. How does Christ choose these governmental authorities? Or continuing with the figure of Kingdom, whom does the Lord Jesus Christ appoint to bring about the reign that is designed in the purpose of God for men? I think we have one rather significant illustration that best represents Christ's sovereignity in His choice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Early writings tell us that Saul of Tarsus was a "bald-headed, bowlegged, strongly built man, small in size and meeting eyebrows with a rather large nose" (International Standard Bible Encylopaedia, Vol IV, p2277). We see this little man "breathing threats and murders against the disciples of the Lord" (Acts 9:1), getting letters from the High Priest to authorise Him to stamp out the Christians at Damascus. I imagine as he hurried along the road, he was muttering, "Those crazy Christians. They're upsetting all of Judaism. If I lay my hands on them ...". And he feels in his pocket to be sure he's got the letters from the High Priest. He's going to take those people back to Jerusalem and they're going to feel the lash! And if they die so much the better. Get rid of a Christian and advance the cause of Judaism. That's the thing to do - these crazy Christians!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From His sovereign place on His throne, the Lord Jesus looked down and said, "I'll take him". I wouldn't have taken him! (*laughter*). And I doubt if you would have taken him! But the point I want to make is that we need a revival of the concept of Christ's sovereign right to govern His Kingdom: The Kingdom of God is not a democracy, it's a theocracy! It's not run from the bottom up, it's run from the top down! Jesus Christ makes appointments!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus appoints and He anoints. On the day of Pentecost, after the Holy Spirit had come, there were all kinds of rumours going on about what was happening. You see, when you look at a divine happening, you have a problem. You're either going to put a sense evaluation on it, or you're going to find out what the divine evaluation is. Now I'm sure that all of you, had you been devout Jews on the day of Pentecost, would have gone to find out the reason for the noise that was coming from the Temple. For it says, "When this sound occured, the multitude came together" (Acts 2:6, NAS). Dr A T Robertson, the great Baptist scholar, says that "The meaning seems to be that the excited 'other tongues' of verse 4 were so loud that the noise drew the crowd together". There probably hadn't been that much noise ever before in the temple!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the people came running to see what the noise was. You know some people say, "I don't see any value in noise". Well I'll tell you folks, you'd better reconcile yourself with noise because while silence has it's place - the Bible is an awful noisy book.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People say we charismatics are noisy. Well I want you to know that's true, but I won't take the blame - I'm not to blame! Once more, God's the troublemaker, for the Bible says that "... when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place and there came a sound from heaven". Brothers, what we have here tonight is imported joy! It came from heaven! God started this racket on the day of Pentecost and it's been going on ever since! Hallelujah! (*applause*). Somebody said, "You don't have to make all that noise. God's not deaf". That's true but He's not nervous either. (*laughter and applause*). I want to tell you that if you expect to be around when the Lord comes, you better get inured to noise because He's going to descend with a shout. You think you shout? You ought to here God shout! And if His shouting isn't enough, He grabs a trumpet and lets out a blast and the archangel lets out a shout (1 Thess 4:16).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr Rowland Bingham, the great Canadian missionary taught for years that this whole thing was going to be very quiet. His wife came to him and said, "Dear, I have to speak to a ladies group about the coming of the Lord and I've heard you say that it's going to be very quiet and secret. Could you give me a Scripture for that?". "Oh", he said, "I'd be glad to dear. You'll find it in 1 Thessalonians 4". She said, "Oh thank you very much". When she came back a bit later, she said, "Dear I'm having problems wtih that scripture you gave me. I've always heard you say that it was going to be silent and quiet and secret. But that's an awful noisy chapter. It says that the Lord Himself is going to descend from heaven with a shout and with the voice of the archangel and the trump of God. I doubt if it's possible to keep that thing quiet!".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now these devout Jews made an evaluation of what was transpiring. And had you and I had been there, I wonder if we would have made the same sense evaluation. What they saw disturbed them. They said, "We never saw such indecency in the temple. It's only nine o'clock in the morning. They must have got into the sacramental wine". (*laughter*). So they walked out of the temple saying, "They're drunk!".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Isn't it amazing how you and I can be so clever as to look at something that God is doing and give it a sense evaluation. We can be so rigid in our religious crystalization that when God starts to shake us, we've got to find some kind of rationale so that we won't be disturbed! And so "drunk" will serve our purpose. Can you imagine people walking down the streets on the day of Pentecost pronouncing the visitation of the Holy Spirit on the historic day as "drunkeness"? And yet there are men today who are looking at the things that God is doing, and they are making the same kind of sense evaluation. But there were other men who had the good sense to stay and say that there is "something here".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We're singing a song these days that's kind of mystical and some of you won't understand it. But if you're spiritually alert and alive, you won't just here words, you will here a sound. It's words will have a sound to you. And the words go like this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"I heard a sound coming from the mountain.&lt;br /&gt;I hear it louder each day.&lt;br /&gt;I heard a sound coming from the mountain.&lt;br /&gt;It says 'Prepare ye the way ...&lt;br /&gt;Prepare ye the way ...&lt;br /&gt;Prepare ye the way ...&lt;br /&gt;Prepare ye the way of the Lord".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hear a sound ... I hear a word ... I heard a sound. I saw a mass of men stand tonight with their hands raised. I heard them praising God. But within that praise I heard a sound. I heard the rustling of robes. I smelled the aroma of heavenly breezes. I heard something inside your voices - something that was not only born in your heart, but something that was transferred in your spirit and that something was transferred from heaven and mediated through your spirit until this auditorium was filled with a sound. And that sound was saying, "Men! Get ready! There are great things ahead ...". (*applause*).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There were those who heard a sound on the day of Pentecost and they said, "What is it? Peter stood up with the eleven . (In those days the preachers stood together). (*laughter*). Peter said, "These are not drunk as ye suppose ... But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel ... in the last days ... I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh" (Acts 2:15-17). Then Peter went on and preached a masterful address as he linked this event with history and in turn, linked it with the contemporary fact of Christ's coming into a time/space world. And he closed by projecting into the future as he said, "The promise is unto you and to your children and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call". And they were pricked in their hearts and said, "Men and brethren - what shall we do?!".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peter said, "I wasn't expecting that. What do I do now Lord?". (*laughter*). The Lord said, "The keys ... remember I told you about the keys?". "Keys ... keys ... oh yes. The keys! Repent! And be baptised everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" and the same day there were added to the redeemed community about 3 thousand souls. Brother he didn't ease them in ... he didn't coax them in ... he DYNAMITED them in!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are wondering why it is so hard to sell the charismatic renewal to a non-charismatic community. May I say very simply and at the risk of losing my head, that if people were dynamited charismatically into a charismatic community, they would have no problem understanding charismatic life. But when we attempt to ease people into "Christianity" with "invitations" which omit divine requirements for entering the Kingdom, we get a disappointing variety of "converts". Not Peter. He stood up, turned the keys, opened the door and in they came! Hallelujah! (*applause*).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds and teachers of the Acts church then became - and still speaking in the context of Kingdom - the delegated governmental authorities under King Jesus for the bringing into being of His Kingdom. Apostles, prophets and evangelists moved across the world and "in every place" (1 Corinthians 1:2) they planted churches. Basically a church is nothing less than a manifestation of God's reign and government in a locality.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've had two visions in my life. The last one was some twelve years ago in a convention in Canada. In that convention, for the times when I would be sitting waiting to speak, I had chosen a secluded spot behind the pillar out in the sanctuary ... a kind of private "office" arranged there where I could wait each night until it was time to come up and speak.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One night as I waited there, I felt I should get on my knees and as I got on my knees I had a vision. In a vision, I saw the earth as the astronauts pictured it from the moon. It was an orb out in space, and all over that orb were Quonset huts. Now many of you are too young to know what they are, but after the last world war, the army sold those aluminum, warehouse-like structures called Quonset huts which had become army surplus. At any rate, I saw Quonset huts all the globe and they were all the same size.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I said, "God - what's this?". He replied, "I am going to have in every place, a people that are known for the anointing". Now at that time I had a permanent pastoral charge, and I didn't know then that I would be involved in a travelling ministry; but He said, "And when you travel from place to place, you will not ask for My people by this name or that name, but you will say 'Where are the People of the Anointing'?".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If God is restoring in this hour the principles and purposes enunciated in the New Testament, then it is my firm belief that as His Kingdom comes, we're going to see coming out of this renewal and restoration that thing that God has intended. In every communicable area there will be a community of men and women that are flowing in the anointing. And that anointing is the kingly authority of our Sovereign.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God's people are going to start to exercise rule and they're going to take dominion over the power of Satan. They're going to bring diabolical princes down. The dark powers that hover over the Parliament buildings of the nations are going to be paralysed by the corporate prayer of an authorative community. As the rod of His strength goes out of Zion, He will change legislation. He'll chase the devil off the face of God's earth as God's people together, doing the will of God, will bring about God's purposes and God's reign in a time/space world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to say something that's kind of an interpolation. It belongs to the message but is something that God has quickened to me recently. David had three anointings. David was anointed in Bethlehem as King over Israel. When Saul drove him into exile, he went to Ziklag adn there the vanguard of the coming army of men who would be under his rule came to him. When Saul died, David said, "God what do I do now and where do I go?". God said, "Go to Hebron". When he went to Hebron, they made him King over Judah, and they anointed him the second time. Seven and a half years later when the House of Saul had lost all strength to resist, all Israel came to David in Hebron, and he was anointed the third time to be King over all Israel - and then they came to Zion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe, if I may be permitted this intepretational opinion, that we are presently at Ziklag and that we have an anointing for a Ziklag job. But we're getting ready to go to Hebron. There's a new wave of anointing that's going to come as our job gets bigger. There's an anointing coming of a new dimension. And then there's going to be another anointing of a great dimension for we don't sing, "We're marching to Ziklag" and we don't sing, "We're marching to Hebron". We sing, "We're marching to Zion". I believe the anointing we've got right now is an anointing to get the first phase of the job done. I believe that there is going to be a further dimension of anointing to get the next stage done and I'm not specifying what those phases are. But then there's going to be an ultimate anointing that is going to take us to Zion - and Zion is the ultimate place of God's glory. It's of Zion that we sing about when you sing Psalm 48, "It's the joy of the whole earth".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm going to ask you to turn in conclusion to Acts 20:28. I believe in apostles. I believe in prophets. I believe in evanglist. I believe in shepherds. Now I'm going to say something to you that may sound shocking, but I believe that the coming of the Kingdom may depend on shepherds more than on any other of God's governmental men. I don't think there are as many apostles, prophets or evangelists as there are shepherds. I think that the great permanent, stabilizing governing community of men in the earth that carry on Kingdom business are the shepherds. This is a Shepherd's conference and in conclusion, I want to speak to you specifically as shepherds. I think that shepherds are often relegated to a kind of second place. You think of an apostle, a prophet and an evangelist as somebody "way up there" while you're 'just a shepherd'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the contrary, I believe that shepherds are the ongoing governmental authority. You're the ones that have got to keep it going in the nitty-gritty of everyday life. You are the ones that have to develop it to maturity. You are important to God. You're more important than you know and you've got to get rid of your false modesty and realise how important you are. You need to rise up in the strength of your calling and take your divine anointing as shepherds and start to move with the authority that God has given you in the place He has put you to rule as His representative in love and concern and compassion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You must bring the sheep into a community of power and compassion and concern that will attract the world to an alternate society and a counter-culture and a way of life that they're looking for. The people of the world have run out of options! They're threadbare! They're worn out! They've got nothing left! Their economy's on the rocks! Their politics are all torn up! Their society's a shambles! The world has no options left! We are the world's last hope! They're looking this way saying, "Is there a people that have got it together? Is there a man that doesn't need a psychiatrist? Is there a couple that don't need marriage counselling? Is there a family that can get it together? Is there a community of men and women that can interrelate in joy and peace and hope? Where is it? Give it to us!". The world has its disunited notions of the United Nations. We don't need it. We need the united Body of God's People!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God's Kingdom, I believe, is upon us. I believe this visitation of the Holy Spirit is for the purpose of bringing us into spiritual authority. I want to encourage you as you leave this conference to return home with a new sense of authority and dignity and purpose. I want you to know that it is the purpose of the King who has all authority in heaven and earth to mediate His authority through you in the place where you are and that as you pray and wait on God, God is going to make you mighty in the place of His appointment for you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let us pray ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gracious Father - we thank You for these days together. We thank You for the visitation of Your Presence. We thank You for the insights of Your Word. And we pray, our Father, that the challenge of these days will inspire our hearts to stand tall ... to recognise that we are Your delegates in the Kingdom on earth. That we can turn to a world that is threadbare and divested of options and we can offer them - not just a book or a tract - but we can offer them a way of life in our corporate relationships that will make them know that it's possible for men to live righteously with one another in this time/space world. Hallelujah! May Thy Kingdom Come! Amen.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-9018209469153252631?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/9018209469153252631/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=9018209469153252631&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/9018209469153252631'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/9018209469153252631'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/12/thy-kingdom-will-come.html' title='Thy Kingdom WILL Come!!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tCW9a9xqh7Q/TtuhOn-3DfI/AAAAAAAADr4/NU66IHscmI8/s72-c/Ern%2Bat%2BShepherds%2BConference.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-8136448794403054838</id><published>2011-12-02T18:00:00.002Z</published><updated>2011-12-02T18:03:03.221Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Apostles'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Authority'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Larry Tomczak'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Law'/><title type='text'>Larry Tomczak Finally Has His Say</title><content type='html'>Just when we thought there were no more twists and turns to the sorry Sovereign Grace Ministries story - &lt;a href="http://www.larrytomczak.com/Docs/departure_sgm.pdf"&gt;Larry Tomczak has had his say on his website&lt;/a&gt;.  Here's what he has to say.  &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;THE TOMCZAK DEPARTURE FROM S.G.M. — WHAT REALLY HAPPENED?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;— Larry and Doris Tomczak (November 2011)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As you read of our time with Sovereign Grace Ministries, we are sharing some traumatic experiences, yet endeavoring to do so accurately and redemptively. I want to say at the outset that I am not blameless, but I at times yielded to a spirit of fear when told I “lacked discernment” and was at times cowardly when I should have addressed unrighteous behavior. Where we participated in any unredemptive treatment of God’s people, we ask for your forgiveness. Over the years Doris and I have met with numerous people to ask forgiveness and people have been most gracious to us. Feel free to contact us if you feel a need to revisit any past experiences. Thank you in advance for your mercy and love. Let us unite in prayer that what we communicate will help many, bring healing and glorify our Lord Jesus Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“But Joseph said to them, “Do not be afraid, for am I in God’s place? And as for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive. So therefore do not be afraid; I will provide for you and your little ones. So he comforted them and spoke kindly to them.” Gen. 50:19-21&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Encountering departures and desertions from our ministries—we must see them as tutors—revealing our real motives and deficiencies in our methodology. These are tests from God. They will reveal our hearts.” -Dave Harvey, SGM Leader&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note: This quote appeared on the cover page of a paper I submitted to SGM leaders one year after our 1997 departure, “An Appeal for Repentance, Reconciliation and Closure.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Five issues were highlighted at that time: 1) Pride, Sectarianism and Elitism 2) Self-righteousness and Judgmentalism 3) Blackmail and Intimidation 4) Lack of Integrity and Deceitfulness 5) Abuse of Spiritual Authority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The paper cited the names of 61 former leaders who experienced mistreatment (the list is currently over 100) and included an appeal for a forum where “individuals with outstanding offenses and unresolved issues could be addressed…these issues will not simply fade away but will continue lingering for years until dealt with redemptively and honestly.” I received no response from any team leaders to the paper or appeal for adjudication. Date of submission: December 1998.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“The sins of some men are obvious, reaching the place of judgment ahead of them; the sins of others trail behind them.” (I Tim.5:24)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Next year I will celebrate God’s faithfulness in my 40th year of full-time Christian ministry. At this juncture I sensed it would be helpful to tell the story of a painful turning point in my life and ministry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently, I wrote a “Statement of Reconciliation” with CJ Mahaney, attempting to be as gracious and discrete as possible regarding specifics. But as more details surfaced on the Internet it became apparent that God wanted everything in the light. Our experience is not an isolated case. It is probably one of the most egregious and ignominious examples of deceit and abusive behavior surfacing in SGM at this time. But it did not create the crisis.  Instead, it revealed how root issues have been ignored and left unaddressed for too long. May we all proceed in humility and mercy, mindful of Prov. 28:13, “He who conceals his sin will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes his sin will obtain mercy.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After 24 years of service in the DC area with the “Take and Give Ministry” (TAG), cofounding Covenant Life Church in our home and then serving in leadership in Fairfax Covenant Church, I with my family departed disappointedly, yet hopefully, for better things in Atlanta in 1996. We knew for a number of years that I was being marginalized in Sovereign Grace Ministries (formerly People of Destiny International) and when differences with Reformed doctrine began surfacing, the tension only increased.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At a youth rally in Atlanta, one of our teen-age sons responded along with other youth to an appeal for living genuine Christian lives. That night at home he voluntarily shared with me areas of waywardness and his desire to change, but the door was now open to confront me for “failures at home” and “character deficiencies.” “Apostolic Team” leaders forbade me to be present for a later meeting with my son where he was told to “share all your sins” with the vow of their “confidentiality” (which was later broken).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Subsequently, the team said it “lost confidence in my leadership,” and agreed to a “leave of absence,” sending out a “letter of confession” written by me, then undergoing several revisions affirming SGM leadership and inserting material with which I was uncomfortable but required to include. At the church meeting announcing the shift, I was told to nod in agreement for the congregation to observe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The agreed upon 6-12 month period was short-circuited when we experienced a pattern of spiritual abuse, deceit, harshness and hypocrisy (including premeditated blackmail, communicated and reaffirmed on numerous occasions and subsequently left to silence and hang over us for over a decade). The entire apostolic team and the new senior pastor and his staff participated in this. We also were told to consider uprooting to Virginia Beach or Phoenix, which we said we could not do because we did not sense this to be God’s will for our family. Criteria established for returning to my former role as senior pastor made that outcome an impossibility unless I embraced the Reformed doctrinal tenets (although people nationwide were deliberately misled with information to the contrary).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My wife and I finally left PDI when things finally reached the “untenable” point. It became for us a matter of conscience. Disingenuous public statements and letters sent nationwide misrepresented what actually happened and I was publically slandered at Covenant Life Church, called a “liar” (with guests and non-believers present) as the leader declared, “I’d rather be dead than do what Larry Tomczak is doing!” Local leaders were affirmed leading to an almost unanimous standing ovation. My reputation built upon 25 years in ministry, was debased nationally and abroad. My “Seven Reasons for Departing PDI” were not conveyed and for 13 years this perception remained in the public domain, separating our family from many relatives, friends and leaders in the Body of Christ. It also resulted in serious financial repercussions for us as a family of six. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For over a decade we tried to bring CJ and the apostolic team to account for the injustice, even enlisting nationally known leaders in the effort, but to no avail. Finally, in November of 2010 he consented. Years of confrontation by SGM leaders and CLC pastors along with the turmoil and defections of people in the network of churches brought CJ to the realization he needed to repent of longstanding sins, some of which were committed in our unfortunate departure. CJ later made a public confession of some of his transgressions at Covenant Life Church and announced a “leave of absence.” Many believe his confession was a start but was incomplete and minimized the severity of the issues. We were invited to the November SGM Pastors Conference and Covenant Life Church to speak on reconciliation, but the invitation was rescinded. At the conference CJ shared he regretted having taken the leave of absence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;CJ’s example, problems surfacing in churches affiliated with SGM, and Internet disclosures from a former apostolic team member were catalytic in some SGM leaders beginning to come forward to repent and rectify matters with our family. One former team member had already done so years previously, after experiencing abusive treatment leading to his departure. An independent advisory panel, Ambassadors of Reconciliation, has been retained to engage in a discovery process to help facilitate reconciliation with former members and leaders who believe they have been spiritually abused. The panel is also collecting information to assist with reforms needed in SGM as well as assist in determining CJ Mahaney’s future status.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;May the Lord guide us all as we redemptively deal with past transgressions and find His grace manifested in this time of reconciliation, reform and discipline for Sovereign Grace Ministries. The changes are not cosmetic but substantive to effectively eradicate systemic issues and transform a leadership culture that has drifted from Biblical norms. Two of the churches in Revelation faced the practice of the Nicolaitans (“suppress the people”). One hated it; the other held to it (Rev.2:6 &amp;amp; 15). May SGM leaders align with the former.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To be faithful to criteria for Biblical leadership; to steer clear of the sin of favoritism and partiality; and to be consistent with what was expected of former SGM leaders, I believe senior leaders should step down for a season to be retooled for ministry according to I Pet. 5 and I Tim. 3 standards. Public repentance and public statements should be made along with restitution where appropriate. Then and only then, can the favor of Almighty God return in its fullness to this ministry and unity be restored. The warning of God’s “lampstand” (His Presence) being removed (Rev. 2:5) is very real when a church or ministry is being evaluated by Jesus and fails to respond. Many onlookers are hoping and praying that will not happen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then we all can pray like Nehemiah did after he instituted reforms to restore the walls of the city of God: “Remember me with favor, O my God.” (Neh. 13:31) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ps: Because the issues and contents of this statement have already been made public at church meetings and on the Internet for months, I sensed it was appropriate to release my story at this time. CJ and I are almost 40-year friends and our reconciliation statement still stands. In my study I keep a plaque he gave me decades ago. On it are the words: “My Brother, I would not be the man I am without your care and example. I am eternally indebted to you. Your Yokefellow, CJ.” I would add: “Faithful are the wounds of a friend.” (Prov. 27:6)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-8136448794403054838?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/8136448794403054838/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=8136448794403054838&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8136448794403054838'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8136448794403054838'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/12/larry-tomczak-finally-has-his-say.html' title='Larry Tomczak Finally Has His Say'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-6493477063259974419</id><published>2011-11-23T13:47:00.002Z</published><updated>2011-11-23T13:57:59.757Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joshua Harris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Honesty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Humility'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><title type='text'>An Important Update from Covenant Life Church</title><content type='html'>What I love about the Covenant Life Pastors (especially Josh Harris) is that they are &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;TRULY&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; humbly acknowledging a need for God during these times.  The SGM Board seem to me to be saying the right words - but it doesn't quite ring true.  Backed up of course by C J Mahaney's rather haughty proud words at the recent Leader's Conference (as the CLC pastors state - concerned them too).&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/brentdetwilercom/2011/11/23/covenant-life-pastors-provide-members-an-important-update.html"&gt;Here's a letter sent out to all members&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;November 22nd 2011&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A Church Family Update&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The following letter was e-mailed to all church members today. We hope everyone is served by us being redundant and posting it here as well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dear Covenant Life Church,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Grace to you from your brothers on the pastoral team. We’re writing to give a “family update” on recent events, including the Sovereign Grace Pastors Conference earlier this month. We also want to thank you for your ongoing prayers and expressions of encouragement to us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Constitution&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, our team, led by Kenneth Maresco, is working hard on a draft of our new church constitution. This is a top priority. This past week Kenneth, Corby Megorden and Ben Wikner, accompanied by three church members, visited CrossWay Community Church, in Bristol, Wis., where Mike Bullmore is senior pastor, to learn more about their constitution, attend an elders meeting, and discuss how the involvement of lay pastors (or elders) works there. Mike and his team have been good friends for many years, and we’re grateful for their help and counsel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;A Letter to the Churches&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before the Pastors Conference, the Sovereign Grace Board sent a letter to all the pastors of SGM sharing their disagreement and concerns regarding the content of our church’s October 30 Members Meeting. (If you would like to read the letter, let us know, and we’ll be happy to send you a copy.) The Board had informed us several weeks before that they might send out a letter stating their disagreements with our leadership over the past few months, so this wasn’t a surprise for us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We don’t feel it’s wise to engage in a “back and forth” of letters at this time, and so we are not currently planning to respond to their letter. We stated our areas of disagreement clearly at our last Members Meeting, and we will keep communicating where we differ, with love and respect. We don’t want to make an issue of the Board sending this letter to SGM pastors—in fact, we are in favor of more open communication between the churches in the future. A number of SGM pastors have told us they were grateful to be able to read and better understand our position.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;C.J.’s Comments&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the most significant moments of the Pastors Conference was when C.J. shared with all the pastors and wives about what he’s learned during his Leave of Absence (LoA). &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;Our pastoral team was disappointed by the tone and posture of C.J.’s remarks&lt;/u&gt;, and we feel strongly that it’s appropriate for you to read them, because they reflect apparent changes in his thinking about his LoA and his confession to our congregation at the July 10 Members Meeting.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;We understand that a number of you have read the remarks online (they have been published on at least two blogs) and found them troubling as well. We’ve asked the SGM Board to make the audio and/or transcript of this session readily available to our church, but we have not heard back as of this writing. We look forward to sharing our thoughts with C.J. and the SGM Board directly and hearing from the Board on whether they support C.J.’s statements.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;SGM Polity&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another important session at the Pastors Conference was when Jeff Purswell presented a preliminary draft of the SGM Partnership Agreement, a document designed to define the relationship of SGM to its member churches. There were encouraging signs of a degree of forward progress, but on certain significant points this draft is nearly identical to the Partnership Agreement currently in effect. Since our future relationship with SGM would be spelled out in this agreement, we were particularly interested to see the section that addresses the accountability of the SGM Board. However, that language had not yet been drafted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are hoping to have a meeting with Jeff and John Loftness soon (along with other pastors in our region) to share our questions, clarify statements Jeff made at the conference, and better understand the Board’s thoughts about reform. Jeff made it very clear that he was presenting only a draft and that the SGM Board is inviting input. We are grateful for this invitation and look forward to more dialogue with the Board and other SGM pastors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Panel Review&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We’ve been informed that the three panels, each comprised of two SGM pastors and one SGM board member (for a description, see the “Pastoral review” section of this blog post on the SGM website), have been constituted and will immediately begin to evaluate the documents written by Brent Detwiler. We understand that the panels will not only be evaluating C.J.‘s fitness for the role of President but also concerns for Sovereign Grace as a whole. The panels are scheduled to complete their process and publish their findings sometime in December. We do not know which men are on these panels, since the SGM board has decided to keep their identities confidential until the panels’ work is complete. Please pray for this work. Please pray, too, for Kenneth, Grant and Josh, as they have been asked to appear and be interviewed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;In Summary&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Statements made at the Pastors Conference and the letter from the SGM Board have served to heighten our concerns about the direction of SGM, and consequently, our church’s partnership with SGM going forward. However, we feel that more conversation and dialogue are needed to both honor our long history together and love these men as brothers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We will keep pressing for clear accountability for the board, clarification of the nature of the partnership between SGM and its member churches, and due process for the charges and criticisms SGM has received. We also believe it’s important to allow time for other SGM pastors to share their concerns with the Board, to wait for reports from the three panels (due in December), and to see how the AoR Group Reconciliation report (due in March) will be processed. We don’t feel rushed to make a decision about our long-term partnership right now. We also want to put to rest any rumors that staying in SGM somehow jeopardizes our staff or facility. The SGM board would not desire to remove our pastors or take our building or anything of the kind, even if they had that authority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For all of these reasons, we’re continuing a course of deliberate, prayerful evaluation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Evaluating Giving&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have had an initial conversation with our Financial Advisory Board (made up of four members) to discuss the level of our giving to SGM. We plan to have a further meeting and involve additional members in this decision. We will keep you updated on our progress.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Worth Reviewing&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A lot of information has been flying around these past few months. If you find yourself confused by what the real issues are, we would encourage to you to re-read and re-listen to the following things:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;1. &lt;u&gt;May 22 Members Meeting&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;br /&gt;This meeting was the first public step in our local church walking a path of repentance. In this meeting we identified some key areas we’ve gotten wrong as pastors. Reviewing this meeting can help remind us that the problems in SGM are also problems in our church that we need to continue to humbly address.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;2. &lt;u&gt;July 10 Sunday Sermon&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;This sermon (from the weekend after Brent Detwiler’s documents were first released) is a call for our church to view this trial as an expression of God’s loving, fatherly discipline. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;We still believe this is the posture we should take as a church. Instead of dismissing problems or defending ourselves, let’s ask the Lord to refine us and reform us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;3. &lt;u&gt;October 30 Members Meeting&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This meeting laid out a clear vision for where we are going as a local church—greater partnership between pastors and members in advancing the gospel. We want to be “Jesus-ruled, pastor-led and congregationally accountable.” We also laid out specific points of disagreement with the SGM Board and concerns we have regarding our partnership with Sovereign Grace.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;In Conclusion&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you for your faith in God and your prayers for Covenant Life. Thanks, too, for your frequent words of encouragement. God is at work in our church. Let’s keep our eyes fixed on him. If you find your soul troubled and anxious, remember Philippians 4:6-8:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;… do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let’s continue to wait on him and trust in him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sincerely,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Your pastors (and brothers)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-6493477063259974419?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/6493477063259974419/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=6493477063259974419&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6493477063259974419'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6493477063259974419'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/11/important-update-from-covenant-life.html' title='An Important Update from Covenant Life Church'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-6736853406730158375</id><published>2011-11-21T14:03:00.002Z</published><updated>2011-11-21T17:42:25.158Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Covenant Life Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joshua Harris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Terry Virgo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><title type='text'>Great News!  Terry Virgo to speak at Covenant Life Church</title><content type='html'>I was really encouraged to hear from a friend of mine at &lt;a href="http://www.covlife.org/"&gt;Covenant Life Church&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;a href="http://www.terryvirgo.org/"&gt;Terry Virgo&lt;/a&gt; is to &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/HarrisJosh/status/138233739091251200"&gt;speak there in December&lt;/a&gt;!  (&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/HarrisJosh/status/138233739091251200"&gt;Josh Harris has also tweeted this&lt;/a&gt;).  We knew that this was very possible.  In that memorable week in July when all this broke out - Terry was hosting the "Together on a Mission" conference in Brighton and mentioned he would be visiting "a church in difficulty" in Washington D.C - so I hoped it would be C.L.C.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px; height: 150px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zPgIW5VQq_U/TsqNacqS5FI/AAAAAAAADrs/FpIQUdAFmUo/s320/100843019_200.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5677505765763638354" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=3156&amp;amp;cp=all#comment-53463"&gt;The ex-SGM'ers all hold Terry in high regard&lt;/a&gt;.  As they said quite rightly - Terry hasn't seemed to have much to do with SGM for a number of years now.  The last time C J Mahaney attended the Brighton Leaders conference was back in 2005 - six years ago.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Whatever the reason for this - I am sure that Terry will bring a pastoral, prophetic word that will comfort and encourage the dear folk at Covenant Life Church and the leadership.  Terry spoke recently about leadership in transition and said;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"The Bible consistently shows God’s chosen leaders having encounters with Him and being commissioned by Him.  Leaders live in the tension between the present and the future. Abraham’s heart was gripped by a vision of the city of God which was so powerful that it forced him to leave Ur. As Abraham erected his tent in the desert we can imagine Sarah asking, ‘Where is this city that you claim to have seen?’ They were living in a tent because Abraham had seen a city!".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I think that's the aching need for Sovereign Grace at the moment.  They've lost their vision.  They are so busy squabbling and in-fighting that there is no question as to "Where are we going?".  While Mahaney and Harvey bear responsibility for this - I hope that CLC will get some vision from this visit of Terry's!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-6736853406730158375?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/6736853406730158375/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=6736853406730158375&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6736853406730158375'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6736853406730158375'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/11/great-news-terry-virgo-to-speak-at.html' title='Great News!  Terry Virgo to speak at Covenant Life Church'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zPgIW5VQq_U/TsqNacqS5FI/AAAAAAAADrs/FpIQUdAFmUo/s72-c/100843019_200.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-464757823822882628</id><published>2011-11-21T12:18:00.002Z</published><updated>2011-11-21T12:22:12.789Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hope'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Worship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Depression'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vision'/><title type='text'>Care of our Loving God</title><content type='html'>One of the problems (self inflicted I know!) that I'm going through at the moment is that due to the hectic nature of my work at the hospital, I foolishly let my prescription for anti-depressants expire.  As I'm on an increased dose, there are inevitable side effects to coming off them suddenly for a week and a half.  One is exhaustion and fatigue and the other is the return of worry, anxiety etc.  Fortunately I went back to my GP and am safely back on them so hoping this period of worry will settle.  &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I was lying awake last night with insomnia (I think that's the word) trying to control my anxious thoughts and a beautiful chorus came to my mind which I tried to keep singing and focus on.  I love Darlene Zschech for this!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/7s2wCVcmYOU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-464757823822882628?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/464757823822882628/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=464757823822882628&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/464757823822882628'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/464757823822882628'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/11/care-of-our-loving-god.html' title='Care of our Loving God'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/7s2wCVcmYOU/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-4075043342236402849</id><published>2011-11-18T15:51:00.001Z</published><updated>2011-11-18T15:51:48.043Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hope'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Faith'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vision'/><title type='text'>How do you keep hope when all seems lost?</title><content type='html'>No really ... I'm asking.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-4075043342236402849?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/4075043342236402849/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=4075043342236402849&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/4075043342236402849'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/4075043342236402849'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/11/how-do-you-keep-hope-when-all-seems.html' title='How do you keep hope when all seems lost?'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-4535415693218948721</id><published>2011-11-15T06:30:00.002Z</published><updated>2011-11-15T06:40:37.313Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM Uncensored'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brent Detweiler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mickey Connolly'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><title type='text'>SGM Board Members Excommunicating Comments</title><content type='html'>Many of us, I think, rather hope that the word "excommunication" is just a bit of hyperbole.  They may have heard (like me) the word used on some of the anti-SGM blogs and thought it won't really happen.  Well it did.  &lt;a href="http://www.crosswaync.org/"&gt;Crossway church&lt;/a&gt; (home of SGM Board member Mickey Connolly) held a public members meeting and very publicly excommunicated Brent Detweiler.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I'm staggered.  And I would be very scared if I was an SGM member.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here's the comments (with some of Brent's commentary in brackets);&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;“Now here is the last thing that we want to talk about.  What are we going to do?  John Murray says “the injunction component of an error of such character, they are to mark the proponents so as to avoid them and they are to turn away from them.”  From our biblical study, which we have presented to you tonight, and our prayerful perspective, we believe, sadly, that Brent clearly fits the definition of a man who is causing divisions and because of his refusal to cease has the potential to cause even further division and therefore must be marked as divisive.  We are certainly not called to debate and dialogue endlessly with such a person [Endlessly?  They won’t even allow one meeting with objective evaluators.  Like C.J., they have slammed the door on any kind of adjudication hearing.  Under the threat of being divisive, they are preventing anyone  from hearing my concerns, all of which they have repeatedly rejected.  They are the sole arbitrators of truth.]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;So what I am asking you to do as a church is to avoid him&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; as long as he engages in this behavior: gossip, slander, scoffing, mocking and a refusal to meet with those  involved to work things out [I have shared concerns for 5½ years.  I just talked to Mickey in person on August 24.  He was immovable and maintained his sinless perfection.  I am very willing to meet with the pastors but others must be present.  They won’t allow this arrangement.].  These things are clearly contrary to the sound teaching of Scripture.  &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Having nothing more to do with him, or avoiding him, would include not discussing these things with him personally, reading any of his materials on blogs or Facebook.  That means you have to defriend him to avoid the temptation, do that, or following the story on anti-Sovereign Grace Ministries blogs&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.  By the way, I recognize that many [How many?  I doubt anywhere close to a majority.  Hype?] of you are already doing this or haven’t done this at all.  So I want to be clear!  Not discussing this with him personally.  Not reading any of his materials on blogs or Facebook or following the story on the anti-Sovereign Grace Ministries blogs. [This sounds like the kind of censorship that occurs in China, Iran and North Korea.  Mickey is commanding abject ignorance.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“If you are exposed to rumors or slander [Of course, there is no chance you might be exposed to the truth in the form of facts, evidence and witnesses.] please come and talk to me or one of the other pastors personally, please. [So they can straighten you out.]  We want to talk to you, we want to hear you.  If you have a charge that you’d like to bring against me or any of the other elders here then do it in accordance with 1 Timothy 5:19-21 [People have brought charges but they have been dismissed.] Do not spread those charges to others or publish them on public documents. [In other words, if you think Mickey acted in a heavy handed way during this public meeting you may not tell  anyone.  And take note, if you share anything negative about the pastors with anyone, in any fashion, you too are in danger of being “marked.”  For over a decade, I shared my “charges” in private regarding C.J.  He responded in abusive ways.  I exhausted every possible remedy before I went public.  The same thing is happening at CW.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“So here is the key question, really, of all of this.  It is a question that some of you have asked.  If I don’t read this stuff how can I be informed?  [You can’t because Mickey is not going to be open and honest with you or allow for public questions or criticisms.]  How do I know that you aren’t telling me not to read these things because of what the blog says.  So Mickey, isn’t this just a ploy to avoid having your sins uncovered.  [He doesn’t answer this question.  By shutting down all dissent and accountability, Mickey is effectively covering up his sins and those of C.J. and the SGM Board.  Mickey’s stated approach does not allow for an organization like Ambassadors of Reconciliation to come and adjudicate my serious concerns for him.  Neither does his understanding of eldership allow for the appointment of men from the church to hear and weigh my charges.]  Well, let me say something please here.  First, you have to answer this.  Is what Brent is publishing and saying; gossip, slander, and scoffing?  Does it fit that category?  [No, it doesn’t fit these categories.  Half the time, I am quoting C.J. or others.  They indict themselves.  I’ve repeatedly addressed this issue at BrentDetwiler.com.  That is one reason why Mickey doesn’t want you to read my writings.]  And if it is how do you biblically justify dividing? [You mean exposing serious pride, error, hypocrisy, favoritism, deceit, manipulation, lording, etc.]   How do you justify reading gossip, slander and scoffing?  [You mean documented accounts and primary sources.]  And I would also tell you is being informed a higher value than being biblically right.  [Here’s Mickey’s theology: biblically right = total ignorance.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Secondly, I want you to know that I understand the question and in some ways there is only one answer [get ready] I can give you and it is this.  You need to decide whether you trust your pastors&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.  You need to decide, I can’t decide that for you.  I can’t tell you what to do here.  I can tell you what the Bible says.  I can tell what the Bible commands.  I can tell you what commentators say.  I can’t tell you what to do here.  You need to decide whether you are going to trust your pastors.  I’ve never asked you to trust me blindly.  Never.  You have to examine my life and examine the life of these other pastors.  The way we’ve lived, the way we’ve served you, the way we’ve taught you, the way we’ve cared for you.  You have to examine our lives and have to answer that question.  You have to decide do you want to trust us.  [Mickey believes he is worthy of unqualified trust because of his exemplary life, service, teaching and pastoral care.  No one deserves this kind of trust except Jesus Christ.  Mickey’s extremely high opinion of himself translates into a demand for unconditional followership.  That’s what happens when you claim perfection.  You universally trust yourself and so should everyone else.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Do you trust that if charges ever were brought that the other pastors would impartially hear those charges and act according to 1 Timothy 5. [Absolutely not.  They’ve defended Mickey’s sinlessness at every point.]  &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Do you trust your pastors!  That is really the key question that we are facing here tonight.  And I want to let you know something.   We can’t function without your trust.  If I ever lose the trust of this church I will resign that very day.  I can’t function without your trust.  I can’t function without your trust&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; [At no point in Mickey’s message does he qualify his request for trust.  It is absolute.  Complete.  Unconditional.  This is more than an oversight.  Under these circumstances, he should be telling the church he is a sinful man, made mistakes, needs to change and understands why it is hard to trust him.  Instead, he demands total trust and obedience which he assumes he warrants.  There is no self-suspicion.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“That is the great horror of gossip and slander and divisiveness.  It fosters suspicion.  It fosters mistrust.  Mistrust and suspicious divide. [The exposing of major problems in SGM is a service to the entire movement.  Division comes from its leaders who are unwilling to humble themselves, make public confessions, right wrongs, or identify individual and corporate sins.  Instead they call good, evil; and evil, good.  The charges against C.J. and SGM are serous and widespread and come from hundreds/thousands of people.]    We cannot function without your trust.  I am not going to publicly defend myself.  I am not going to publish documents to present my case to a wider audience.  As I’ve said, if you hear rumors, I want you to come and ask me about those rumors.  But I am not going to publish documents, I am not going to present my case to a wider audience.  [Honestly, it would be a losing cause if Mickey did and I think he knows it.  This may sound humble but it is another way to avoid accountability.  Not only will Mickey avoid a “wider audience,” he is going to avoid any audience.  Only the pastors will know and decide anything from within the fortress that have erected.]  I will not defend myself at Brent’s or anyone else’s expense by revealing private conversations and I will not put anyone else in a bad light and put myself in a good light. [This one makes me laugh since the whole evening was about putting me in a bad light and him in a good light.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“I’ve appealed to Brent privately [so have I with Mickey] and will continue to do so but I will not tear down Brent to defend myself. [Of course not, let’s not tear Brent down.  That would be terrible.  Just mark him as divisive, make a bogus case against him in his absence, refuse any kind of adjudication, and tell all his friends at CrossWay to cut off their relationship with him.]  I realize this puts me at a disadvantage which is another reason I so need your trust.  This isn’t just about me, it is about us.  Joe said this week this is a potentially polarizing moment for this church.  I think it is also a potentially uniting moment for this church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“I have a sincere desire that all of you stay [brace yourself for the worse part].  I can’t tell you how much it hurts this old pastor’s heart to have even one person leave this church.  I never have been able to take that easily and I hope I never will.  I have a sincere desire that you all stay and that this would not divide us.  I am not naïve.  I am not naïve.  &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;If you can’t stay here in good conscience.  If you can’t trust your pastors, you need to leave.  You need to go&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.  [So if you have questions about your pastors’ character or actions, pack your bags.  Mickey doesn’t like problems or conflicts.  So just leave.]   Please don’t hear what I am not saying.  I am not saying, “Get out!” or  “You’re kicked out!”  [Really?  Thanks for the clarification.  Guess, I missed something.]  I am not saying that at all.  What I am saying very simply is this.  If you cannot trust your pastors, if you cannot obey your pastors and what we are asking you to do biblically then you need to find another church because we cannot function without your trust.  [In other words, if you don’t cut off your relationship with me, if continue to read my blog, if you don’t defriend me on Facebook and stop reading my comments, you MUST leave CrossWay and find another church.  There is absolutely no alternative.  So if you stay, you must stick you head in the sand and unconditionally trust, obey and honor the pastors as though they were Jesus.]  You can’t follow pastors you don’t trust.  [This is not biblical trust.  This is mindless submission.] You can’t honor pastors that you are willing to have slandered.  [Everything is slander.  Defend to the death.]  And that you’re willing to go and seek out slander about.  [That means, don’t look for objective answers.]  You can’t do that.  [Yes, you must go out and discover and discern the truth when your pastors are not open and honest, are not accountable, won’t allow for an objective evaluation, claim to be perfect, misapply Scripture, abuse critics, and rule over you like demagogues.]&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-4535415693218948721?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/4535415693218948721/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=4535415693218948721&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/4535415693218948721'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/4535415693218948721'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/11/sgm-board-members-excommunicating.html' title='SGM Board Members Excommunicating Comments'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-7275672676369291886</id><published>2011-11-13T18:25:00.004Z</published><updated>2011-11-13T19:32:53.879Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christian Leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM Uncensored'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Authority'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brent Detweiler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mickey Connolly'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Law'/><title type='text'>"Slander" and it's Punishment</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uuE3ws5_GMM/TsAbSlt2HnI/AAAAAAAADrg/n1IjBtSMQfY/s1600/Mickey%2BConnolly.axd" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uuE3ws5_GMM/TsAbSlt2HnI/AAAAAAAADrg/n1IjBtSMQfY/s320/Mickey%2BConnolly.axd" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5674565536662822514" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;One of the more chilling statements made in &lt;a href="http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=3123"&gt;C J Mahaney's "Coming Home&lt;/a&gt;" speech at the recent SGM conference was this promise;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size: 15px; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;I think the days ahead are going to require more discernment as it relates to the identification of slander and the influence of slander in our churches. I think the days ahead are going to require courage on the part of pastors and when necessary publicly identify those who are divisive&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Like their enthusiastic use of the word "excommunication", I think we &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;MUST&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; persist in calling such leaders to account for their use of the word "&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation"&gt;slander&lt;/a&gt;".  These words are significant because they give power to the leaders to discipline the SGM members and "publicly identify" (name and shame" anyone who may express disagreement with the leaders!  This is simply wrong!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;What does the word "slander" mean?  Here are a few dictionary definitions;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;" ... is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. This can be also any disparaging statement made by one person about another, which is communicated or published. &lt;u&gt;It is usually a requirement that this claim be false&lt;/u&gt; and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Key words; "implied to be factual".  And "usually a requirement that this claim be false".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;"In common law jurisdictions, slander refers to a malicious, false, &lt;u&gt;not specific enough to verify&lt;/u&gt; and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Publicly stated.  And false.  And often; "Not specific enough to verify".  The Brent Detweiler documents have been &lt;u&gt;MORE&lt;/u&gt; than specific.  In the case of Brent Detweiler vs C J Mahaney - he has repeatedly pleaded with the SGM Board to &lt;u&gt;PROVE&lt;/u&gt; that his claims are false.  They haven't done so.  Furthermore if there was &lt;u&gt;ANY&lt;/u&gt; suggestion that Brent's claims were false - do the SGM Board not have enough finances behind them to pursue a "cease and desist" claim through the courts - which there is also no hint of them doing so?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.facebook.com/notes/brent-detwiler/crossway-pastors-proceed-with-marking-as-divisive-despite-appeals-for-adjudicati/307048305989407"&gt;Brent posted some email exchanges with the leadership of Crossway&lt;/a&gt;.  Apparently they are &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;STILL&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; resolute on "excommunicating him" - as per instructions by C J Mahaney.  He mailed them and pleaded with them to reconsider.  But in true SGM resolve - Mickey Connolly (for more on him - see &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/cj-mahaney/post/meet-mickey-connolly-(1).aspx"&gt;his interview with C J Mahaney&lt;/a&gt; and his fawning over Mahaney's "humble" example) emailed back and said;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Brent,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have heard and considered your appeal but continue to believe we stand on firm biblical ground to proceed".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This so reminded me of the absolute no budging attitude of the SGM leaders in my case.  It scared me silly how utterly inflexible they are.  Where is the attitude that Paul the apostle &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;COMMANDS&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; in Galatians;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"He who is sin - such a one should be restored gently".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Gentle?  No attitude can be further from what I see in some of SGM.  And what I find even more hypocritical is that &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/31919911"&gt;Mickey Connolly was the selected SGM Board Member to introduce the Ambassadors of Reconciliation seminar at the conference&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;What occurs to me is this - what do non-Christians think of this behaviour?  What non-Christians in their right minds are going to what to join &lt;a href="http://www.crosswaync.org/index.html"&gt;a church under leadership like Mickey Connolly&lt;/a&gt; or C J Mahaney - knowing that any hint of divisiveness and they could be excommunicated and have their lives ruined at the whim of a pastor?  Amusingly enough who describe themselves as a church "enjoying His grace".  What grace?!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I find it even more incredible I believed the SGM Board member in the UK who assured me that the "legalistic authoritarian" men had left SGM with Brent Detweiler and I believed the flagship church in the UK was truly one of grace and compassion and openness.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I still believe passionately in His Church - because He said He would build His church and the gates of hell would not stand against it!  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Mahaney’s Remarks At The Sovereign Grace Ministries 2011 Pastors Conference</title><content type='html'>Many know that my attention (while not at work) has been taken up with observing SGM and it's leadership challenges since July.  Why?  Because I endured 2 years in membership there and because my family still do.  So this particular Pastors Conference is of special interest.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here is the transcript of C J Mahaney's remarks to the gathered pastors.  Make of it what you will.  &lt;a href="http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=3123"&gt;My friend Kris organised the transcript and included her comments&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;(John Loftness speaking:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am here right now to give some context before CJ comes to give an update from his leave of absence. More than four months ago CJ volunteered to take this leave. The board decided to expand the board of three men by having all of the regional leaders in SG – I am one of those leaders – and so suddenly in a day I was transformed into a board member. I’ve known CJ for 33 years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since leaving CLC and moving to Solid Rock four years ago our friendship has only deepened though we don’t see each other as much as we once did. I give you that background because of our history because the board asked me to serve as a liaison with CJ so he could get appropriate updates of our work and developments that might affect him. The board also thought it was wise and helpful if CJ could receive pastoral care from someone who knew him well and was familiar with all that was going on in Sovereign Grace.  [Kris says:  I realize that this is supposed to be a bit of an introduction to the notion that CJ will explain why he is no longer attending a Sovereign Grace church but has instead made himself part of Mark Dever's Capitol Hill Baptist Church.  But the idea that CJ left Covenant Life Church because he needed to receive care from "someone who knew him well ans was familiar with all that was going on in Sovereign Grace" cannot possibly be used as support for CJ's going to CHBC.  After all, who would know more about SGM and be more familiar with CJ - Mark Dever, or the men who have been trained by and worked along side of CJ for decades?] I consider it a great privilege to stand with my friend during this most trying time. We’ve met often, we’ve talked extensively about his soul his leadership and how to evaluate Sovereign Grace. So what you are about to hear reflects the content of many many conversations over the last four months.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;CJ speaking:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Over the last four months so many of you have communicated your support to Carolyn and I and we are so very grateful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have been looking forward to this moment when I could address you. I have spent much time over the last four months studying Second Corinthians.  Paul is uniquely personal in Second Corinthians, uniquely heart revealing and heart appealing. He says to the Corinthians, “My heart is wide open to you.”  He expresses this care in this unique way it is the only time he does this…soon after this statement Paul says this to them, “make room in your heart for us.” You bear no resemblance to the Corinthians…But I think there is relevance in his communication.  [Kris says:  Why?  If CJ's audience bears no resemblance to the Corinthians, then CJ must want to make the implication that he himself bears resemblance to the Apostle Paul?] I want to …my heart and I want to appeal to you to make room in your heart for me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is the state of my heart. I am sad, I am hopeful, and I am eager to return to the privilege to serve you. Those would be three categories. I am sad. I reflect on what you have experienced during this season, the time you have invested because of all that has taken place, the challenges you have encountered over the past four months, how this has adversely affected your church. I locate myself in the midst of that and find my way to where I bear responsibility for that, I am so sad. My heart aches and breaks because I want to serve you. I don’t want to create work for you. So I pray that my sorrow and sadness is evident to you. I want to open my heart to you. I feel like it has been four months of mourning for the people I love the most.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I am also hopeful because God is sovereign and He is wise and He is good and He has good purposes for Sovereign Grace and His good purposes cannot and will not be frustrated ultimately.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Deficiencies can be and will be addressed. Never has there been an interim board that we should be more grateful for or appreciative of. These men and their wives have given countless hours of sacrifice. We have been served heroically by these men and their wives. I am so grateful for Dave assuming this leadership role which he did not desire, did not volunteer for, and all the men participating on this interim board because they love the Savior and they love us so let them be the object of our appropriate gratitude for the countless ways they have served us during this season. I have hope because these are humble men, men of integrity, looking to lead us wisely as we walk forward. So I am very sad and I am also very hopeful. That is a little of my heart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to appeal to you to make room in your heart for me. Many of you – this appeal isn’t necessary. From the beginning you have indicated that there has been no adjustment in your heart toward us. The room that was there prior is still there. And some of you seem to have added room in your heart. I don’t want there to be any misunderstanding. So many of you, this appeal isn’t necessary. Given the size of Sovereign Grace, given the diversity of questions, it is quite possible, it is understandable that for some there might be less room in your heart today for me. There may be little room , or maybe no room and if so, I understand. My appeal would simply be that I hope and I pray that what I say and in the future will allow you to make some room in your heart for me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Kris says:  What does it actually mean, to "make room in your heart" for someone?  Does it mean "continue to care about" the person?  If so, I can't imagine why CJ would honestly believe he needed to ask the men (SGM pastors) in his audience to work at continuing to care about him.  Obviously they all still care, or they would not be sitting there listening to his remarks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that CJ is asking these guys for something a lot more complicated than vaguely "making room in their hearts" for him.  It seems to me that CJ is actually asking these guys instead to be sympathetic to CJ's own interpretation of the events and revelations of the past several months.  He phrases it in the emotionally manipulative lingo of "Make room in your heart for me," and he implies the clear comparison of himself to the Apostle Paul.  But he's asking for far more from his audience than merely continuing to care about him...or have him in their hearts.  He's asking for them to take on his point of view about SGM's (and his) problems.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is some of what I have learned during this season of reflection. I hope this provides some clarity where there has been confusion. I am not trying to persuade you.  I am just providing you with my perspective for your consideration.  [Kris says:  The two previous sentences are patently untrue.  CJ is clearly trying to persuade his audience to think in a certain way.  Otherwise there would be utterly no reason for him to be standing up there in front of them, wasting his breath.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will address you from two categories: personal reflections and reflections on Sovereign Grace and my leadership of Sovereign Grace.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The leave of absence began in July. It was voluntary, it wasn’t imposed on me, it wasn’t disciplinary. It was a decision I made for a few different reasons. In light of the public distribution of Brent’s docs…here is what I wanted to do. I wanted to protect the office of the president of SGM.  I wanted to protect the integrity of SGM, protect you and your church, I wanted to protect the integrity of the adjudication that was about to go forward.  [Kris says:  Does CJ continue to have a desire to "protect the adjudication"?  Because if he does, why is he standing on the stage and speaking before the adjudicators - the Ambassadors of Reconciliation, presumably - have finished adjudicating?]   I wanted to take time to evaluate my heart and my ministry in relation to the leadership to Sovereign Grace. After the Leave of Absence was announced I was informed by numerous leaders outside of Sovereign Grace that this decision was decidedly unwise, that it would be perceived as an admission of guilt or some form of discipline, though neither would be true. And in retrospect I do think this was an unwise decision on my part with unintended consequences and the board agrees with me on this. This leave of absence rendered me unable to communicate my perspective or defend me from all manner of false accusations.  [Kris says:  This is another absolutely untrue statement.  CJ continues to have his SGM-financed ghostwriter at his disposal.  He continues to have bandwidth on SGM's own website for his blog.  He has continued to speak publicly, both at SGM churches and non-SGM venues like Capitol Hill Baptist.  One's ability to defend oneself from "all manner of false accusations" has never necessitated being the head of a denomination.] But the leave did provide me with opportunity for reflection and unhurried evaluation and I am grateful. I have had so much interaction with individuals and received so much helpful and wise council inside and outside Sovereign Grace. I have learned much, I know God better, I love Him more, trust Him more, by His grace I am a wiser leader. So I am grateful for this unwise decision.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Next my transition to CHBC. After the public statement about the leave, I decided with the support of the board to attend CHBC during my leave of absence. I am very aware this decision has left you with a number of questions and I understand why.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Prior to the leave we had decided that Mark Dever would pay a strategic role in providing me with care and counsel …so his involvement was decided prior to the decision to attend CHBC. After my public confession and statement, it quickly became evident that for me to remain in CLC in this season would be untenable for a few reasons: there was hostility from a number in the church toward me after the release of Brent’s documents and I had disagreements with the approach that was adopted by the CLC pastors concerning these documents and in relation to my confession an approach that they thought best served the church.  [Kris says:  So basically what CJ is admitting here is that he was not actually submitted to the authority of any of his pastors at CLC.  His primary concern was not actually to obey his pastors and make them happy.  He decided he did not need to "be a joy to pastor."]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I didn’t see how I could remain in the church because I didn’t want to be a distraction, a disruption in the church, and I certainly didn’t want to be divisive to the church, because I love this church, I helped found this church, I gave 27 years of my life to this church. I wouldn’t want to do anything to harm this church. So I thought it would serve the church, serve the pastors that I wouldn’t be drawn in by the church to anything controversial by having to reveal any of my differences or concerns. I was desirous of serving the church.  [Kris says:  Actually, it sounds a lot more like CJ was desirous of serving himself and his own comfort.  It sounds a lot more like CJ wanted to avoid hard questions and potentially uncomfortable conversations with other members.  If his real desire was to "serve the church," he could easily have done so by simply saying nothing if people tried to engage him.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I realize this doesn’t fit the expected practice relative to a church that preceded this decision …I know that, and I understand the questions but this was a situation where I believed and still do believe that the Word agrees that remaining in CLC would not have served this church or have served the pastors of this church.  [Kris says:  CJ just pulled the Bible card here.  He says "...the Word agrees..."  I would be very interested in knowing just where the Bible says anything that would have supported CJ's leaving CLC.  CJ's decision to quit submitting to his own pastors and his own local church flies in the face of everything he has ever taught about the overarching importance of the local church, and of the need for members to constantly be going around asking themselves if they are obeying and submitting to their pastors and making their pastors' job a joy.  Certainly if CJ is going to imply that the Bible supports his decision, he ought, as a responsible "theologian" and elder, to rightly divide the Word and show his audience where he gets this idea.] I did consider becoming part of Solid Rock Church but I didn’t want to be a distraction to that church either, didn’t want to draw that church unnecessarily into this controversy. I am at this time a walking controversy and I did not want to distract another church, to disrupt any church or to be divisive in a local church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally I made this decision as a husband. My wife has an unusually strong constitution but I needed to protect her from the assaults that we were both the objects of. [Kris says:  "Assaults"?  Isn't that a pretty melodramatic word for CJ to use to describe what he and Carolyn might have theoretically experienced if they'd remained at their SGM local church?  Perhaps I am mistaken, but I've always had the impression that people were a bit in awe of Carolyn anyway and have always treated her with the utmost respect.  Would she really have been vulnerable to "assaults" if they would have quietly continued to attend CLC?] I am a husband before I am a president. When it was announced that I would be attending CHBC it was suggested that i was fleeing accountability and my response is as follows. I was not under any formal church discipline. Actually I was pursuing accountability. I was taking a leave of absence that I thought was a statement of accountability. I continue to participate in my small group with Bob and Jeff and Gary and continue to receive their care and council, encouragement, correction. I was running into, not away from, two separate panels and I was placing myself under the care and council of Mark Dever for the purpose of adding even more accountability. Mark is a true friend. We have a history of relationship. He is an excellent pastor and the man does not flatter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One final reason – I needed help, I needed pastoral care I needed the benefits of worship and preaching where I wouldn’t be distracted, where I wasn’t viewed suspiciously, where I didn’t have to be concerned about anyone approaching me before the meeting or after with questions or accusations. I needed to sit and listen to sermons that could speak to my needy soul. Mark is a dear friend to Sovereign Grace and I will never forget their kindness to us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don’t consider myself an exception at all. I do think these were exceptional circumstances.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Kris says:  If CJ doesn't consider himself an exception, then he is really out of touch with what has been the reality for pretty much all other SGM pastors who have times of stepping away from the ministry, or being outright de-gifted.  When other SGM pastors have been de-gifted (fired), they were then commanded to remain in SGM churches after they were forced to step down.  They were not given the luxury of getting to seek the "benefits of worship and preaching."  They were forced to stay put and face people who knew all about their situations, Sunday after Sunday.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Next, reflection on personal sins. At the beginning of the week of absence I have acknowledged – like all of you I have examined my heart – would be a practice for me – self examination in some form has been a practice for me my entire Christian life. Perhaps for some it appears this self examination, particularly as it relates to Brent’s docs, began in July with the leave of absence. But actually this began just after I received Brent’s first docs which would be more than a year prior to July.  [Kris says:  As someone else pointed out, it's interesting how CJ and other SGM leaders continue to refer to the materials Brent shared as "Brent's Documents."  While it is true that Brent did write significant amounts of commentary himself, what has always reflected most poorly upon CJ and the enablers surrounding him were their very own email communications which were quoted in the documents.  As far as I know, nobody - not CJ or anyone else - has ever disputed the authorship of the many emails Brent shared.  Nor has CJ or anyone else disputed the basic facts revealed in those emails.  Calling the damning information "Brent's Documents" is a clever way of distancing himself from the truth, which is that CJ's own words in his own emails paint a very poor picture of him as a manipulative and controlling egomaniac.] When he sent the first docs I immediately sent it to those I serve with. I began to consider the contents of his documents and invited the observations and evaluations of those I serve with and through this process I was able to identify with the help of friends and the eyes of others, my wife at my side providing her insight as well, and I was able to identify more clearly certain incidences of sin, habits of sin, most of which I had previously acknowledged years before but I was engaging them again. By God’s grace I was engaging them in a more perceptive way and I hope more thoroughly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So over a period of a year I crafted and sent to Brent two written confessions as a means of humbling myself and in hopes of being reconciled with him. I want to make clear that my written confessions to Brent were sincere, I was convicted of those sins. I did grieve and still do over the effects of my sin and I communicated that to Brent as well as to other men that were affected by my sin. I still want to communicate that to anyone and everyone that has been affected by my sin. It is a part of what informs my sadness.  [Kris says:  I wish that CJ would have taken a couple of minutes here to spell out in a few sentences just what, precisely, he's talking about.  What were his sins, if he's so familiar with them now?  I think some simple yet specific statements about what he actually considers to be his wrongdoings would go a long way toward helping those who continue to perceive CJ as not really having come to a place of repentance for anything relating to Brent's complaints against him.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, it does appear that some assumed or concluded that I agree with Brent’s narrative, his accusations and interpretations and judgments of my motives, and this simply wouldn’t be true and it never has been true. Brent’s docs construct a narrative that I disagree with. That narrative portrays my sins as scandalous, calculated and deceptive, and uncommonly intentionally hypocritical, and pervasively so, and this is false. Yes, sadly I am a sinner and throughout my Christian life I have never viewed myself otherwise, and I think I have acknowledged this however inadequately throughout my Christian life but I don’t believe my sins are uncommon or scandalous or disqualifying. I have never believed that since the day the first doc arrived.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Kris says:  So coercing Larry Tomczak - his co-founder - to remain silent about half of the real reasons Larry was parting ways with PDI was not uncommon or scandalous or disqualifying?  In order to secure that silence, threatening Larry Tomczak with exposing Larry's then-teenaged son's sins, which had been confessed to CJ in what was understood to be a private setting, was not uncommon or scandalous or disqualifying?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Setting up and ruling over a system wherein many men have been disqualified from ministry and fired from their pastoral positions for far more "common" sins (such as "pride" and the "fear of man") while spending more than a decade refusing to make oneself even remotely accountable - that wasn't "uncommonly intentionally hypocritical"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess CJ has some singularly unusual ideas about what constitutes "uncommon" sin.  Perhaps that would help to explain the pattern within SGM churches of responding so oddly to situations where child sex abuse had occurred.  Perhaps that would help to explain why SGM pastors have appeared to take on the part of the perpetrator and further victimize the victims.  Perhaps it's because there's an organization-wide faulty understanding of what makes a particular action an "uncommon" sin that demands appropriately harsh consequences?]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I was grateful for the findings and rulings of the first panel in this regard and their agreement with that assessment. I look forward to the review panel, the second panel’s findings and rulings regarding this matter as well. I wish those panels started today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think I made a significant error in how I related to Brent’s docs. I viewed his docs as a means of personal sanctification and I related to him as if this is a matter of personal offense.  [Kris says:  I'm starting to wonder just how closely CJ read Brent's documents.  It was very clear throughout everything Brent shared that Brent was very concerned about ongoing patterns in CJ's life that were not just about offending Brent on a personal level!  Off the top of my head, I can't even think of a specific conflict or disagreement recounted by Brent that would have been "personal," with no ramifications for CJ's role in the ministry.] All of one of my friends and counselors urged me to view his docs this way. [Kris says:  CJ apparently has friends and counselors who don't give good advice.] So I pursued personal reconciliation, I appealed repeatedly for mediation, I held out hope that Brent and I could be reconciled, and sadly to date that has proved to be a false hope.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I should have realized that Brent was making accusations and making charges, he was calling into question my fitness for ministry. This was First Timothy 5, not Matthew 5.  [Kris says:  Perhaps this is an error in the transcript, but if not, I think CJ meant to say, "not Matthew 18."]  So this whole matter should have been turned over to the SGM board early on for formal adjudication. But this was a new experience for me, and this was a new experience for us and one we weren’t prepared for.  [Kris says:  If receiving correction is a "new experience" for CJ and the SGM board, that fact is highly telling and actually supports all the charges in Brent's documents.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it might also be helpful to say something about the confession statement to Covenant Life and to you via a letter. Those confessions were sincere. I do, like you, take my sins seriously. I see them in light of the holiness of God. I need a Savior and I am so grateful that the Father has provided a Savior for my innumerable sins. But after making this confession I have received much helpful critique from a number of leaders about my confession and I have concluded that I did not serve you well with this confession. My confession has been misunderstood, misinterpreted, and exploited. My confession should have been more precise. It was my desire through my confession to humble myself, to take responsibility for my sin, to set an example, to protect SG.  [Kris says:  It would have been helpful here for CJ to explain further what it was about his confession that he's not somehow retracting.  Also, maybe it's just me, but I think the line, "I did not serve you well with this confession" is utterly bogus.  Nobody at CLC or within the larger SGM organization was harmed (or "not served well") by those letters.  The only person who might have experienced unpleasant fallout from them was CJ himself.  What CJ really meant to say is that those letters did not serve himself well.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Instead, my communication in some ways create speculation that left me vulnerable to interpretation, that left me vulnerable to exploitation. I left the wrong impression of my sin. In that confession I was trying to convey that I take my sins seriously but I regret that my language conveyed that my sins were unusually serious. I do not think that I have never thought that. I didn’t distinguish my sins from Brent’s accusations, judgments, narrative and I should have.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One member of the first panel said this to me – quote: “I respect, CJ, how seriously you take the respectable sins but you left the impression that you did something scandalous. But nothing you confessed reached the level of public scandal requiring a public confession. Your sins are routine and common.”  [Kris says:  Again with the "routine and common" thing.  I am really concerned if panel members cannot discern that strong-arming a cofounder, through what amounts to blackmail, into falsely portraying himself as leaving the organization because of his personal sins, rather than because of a major disagreement with a dramatic doctrinal shift, is somehow "routine and common."] That is not to minimize my sin. But it did help me to see the wrong impressions I left and I regret that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another member of the panel said this: “I think you made a genuine effort to be humble. You overstate the level of offense and you confuse those outside of Sovereign Grace.” I happen to think that is an accurate critique. I didn’t just confuse those outside Sovereign Grace, I confused those inside Sovereign Grace as well. I over-stated. I think I did that as well the year before at this Pastors’ Conference. My apology in relation to the polity process. A number of you came in afterwards and said in effect, you overstated that. I think you were right. I think this panel has an accurate assessment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Kris says:  Maybe I've missed something, but I've never yet seen or heard anything out of CJ Mahaney that would even come close to taking a shred of true responsibility for the decades of authoritarian leadership, harsh disciplinary practices, faulty teachings, and an overwhelming concern for protecting SGM's image that resulted in bad policies for reporting abuse to law enforcement officials.  I'm not sure which statements CJ is talking about here.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, in relation to my confession, I wish I had defended myself. I think I briefly, at the outset, possibly at the conclusion, referenced my disagreements with Brent’s narratives and accusations. But I wrongly concluded that it wouldn’t be humble of me to defend myself. I am now convinced that this really reveals an ignorance of, a misunderstanding, a wrong application of humility. I had no category for an appropriate defense against criticisms and accusations, especially public ones. I think not having a category didn’t serve me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So as I have reflected over the last 4 months, I think this has been a 6 year process, in relation to the doctrine of sin I think there are a few areas where we have been affected by a misapplication of the doctrine of sin.  [Kris says:  So, it's all about "misapplication"?  It's not because CJ's teachings and writings were faulty to begin with?  Typically, misapplication has to do with mistakes made by the listeners, rather than the teacher.  It's interesting how CJ is really only acknowledging the flaws of others (those who "misapplied" his teachings) rather than problems with what he taught.] First area is fellowship. This has been a strength in Sovereign Grace. I pray it remains a strength. At times the doctrine of sin has had too much of a prominent place in our practice of fellowship. Very careful here, so no misunderstanding. The practice and experience of fellowship is much much much broader than the application of the doctrine of sin. And our practice of fellowship must not be reduced to identifying sin or rehearsing sin or endlessly exploring the potential idols of our heart. Our practice of fellowship should primarily be a means of preaching and applying the gospel to each other. It should be a means of identifying evidences of grace in each other. The category of what it should be could be expanded.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Kris says:  Golly...sure sounds like CJ, or more likely, one of his lackeys, has been reading here.   ]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it is all too easy for our practice of fellowship to become a preoccupation with sin, primarily about sin rather than a fresh proclamation and application of the gospel to our lives. I regret these misunderstandings and misapplications where they have occurred. I wish I would have anticipated them.  [Kris says:  Wow.  Just wow.  During the one instance in this whole talk where CJ gets relatively specific about a problem, the most he can do is apologize or express regret for the deficiencies and mistakes of those who followed his teachings - because they "misunderstood" and "misapplied" what he said.] I think it was about 6 years ago I began to perceive these deficiencies. I’ve looked back through notes where I was – OK –  I was attempting to address it but, OK, it was just a point in a message. I asked David Powlison to come to our Pastors’ Conference and preach a message on introspection. So that was all by design. That was simply the single message, had the privilege to teach the pastor care class at pastors’ college last 3 years and this has certainly been a section, but I should have done more. [Kris says:  If anyone was under the impression that CJ was taking responsibility for one of SGM's flaws - that of being too obsessed with pointing out the sins of others and considering that to be "fellowship" - here we have further proof that CJ is actually trying to vindicate himself, to prove just how he is NOT responsible for this particular problem.  Not only has he now stated a couple of times that the problems arose through his listeners' "misapplication" and "misunderstandings" of what he taught - he now also makes a case for how he actually did recognize the problem "about 6 years ago" and made attempts to address the problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All he really says here is that he's sorry his listeners misunderstood and misapplied what was taught, and he did try to fix their problems by having Powlison come in and talk.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the second area in this regard is the area of correction. At times the doctrine of sin has been unhelpfully applied in relation to others instead of towards ourselves. So individuals have been corrected and pressed to acknowledge sins that others perceived, sins of the heart and when there isn’t immediate agreement with that correction and assessment then the category of pride can be introduced. The person appears to be unteachable then that is in sin, particularly if everyone else in the group is in agreement with each other about your sin. There is a wonderful quote, I think over the years it has been misunderstood and misapplied. This is from J.I. Packer’s work on the Puritans, Quest for Godliness, “Our best works are shot through with sin and contain something that needs to be forgiven.” The purpose of this quote is to humble us and to provoke us to guard our hearts. I don’t think this is a mandate for us to suspect the hearts of others or to pursue the sins of others or to correct others. I regret not perceiving this misunderstanding and misapplication. I regret not more effectively guarding misapplication. There is more I wish I would have done.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Kris says:  While all of this is definitely true, and it's great that CJ is actually finally acknowledging what has become an unhealthy pattern of behavior among SGM's leaders, does anyone else join me in feeling a bit cynical that he's finally saying all this stuff only now - now, when it is to his own benefit to point out the pattern and declare it wrong?  Where was CJ when hundreds of other SGMers were suffering similar fates?]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second would be pastoral evaluation. This is another area that I think my leadership has been inadequate. More could have been done, more should have been done, more will be done. Sovereign Grace needs to provide our pastors with guidance, the content of a process where objective evaluation of pastors so that pastoral evaluations are theologically informed, objectively done, uniformly done, not arbitrary, not suddenly announced. A pastor shouldn’t be blindsided by an evaluation. And this is particularly critical when there are concerns about the pastor’s character or gifting. The content of this evaluation should be theologically informed, predetermined as well as the timing of this evaluation. I’m aware I’m aware I’m very aware that there are pastors that feel that they have been inappropriately evaluated, even mistreated by Sovereign Grace. Listen, I don’t believe this is systemic from my experience and I have pursued a number of these situations. Here’s what I have decided. Each situation is very different. Very different. [Kris says:  It’s interesting that CJ doesn’t believe the various de-giftings represent systemic problems within SGM…and that he’s saying each situation is very different.  When it comes to the de-giftings of various pastors (as well, come to think of it, as the way many members have been shown the door), I think anyone with the most rudimentary knowledge could list multiple similarities that would form a distinct disturbing pattern.  I would love to have heard an explanation for just how these situations are all "very different."  I would be surprised if the differences outweigh the similarities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But even so, I can't imagine that focusing on the differences, rather than the clear similarities, would be helpful or productive in terms of SGM's addressing its issues.  However, trying to individualize and privatize situations where wrongdoing of leadership took place is a good way to enable denying and minimizing problems.  SGM has used this tactic many times over the years, in terms of trying to make organization-wide abusive practices all about "Matthew 18" rather than acknowledging wrongdoing and addressing and fixing it out in the open.]  We certainly do want to give attention to it. We are giving attention to it. In some ways I spent almost 2 years trying to give attention to it. And we are thankful for AoR and they are serving us even this morning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One more thing before I finish. Once we have a pastor in place in Sovereign Grace we want to do all we can to keep that pastor in place. We do not want our pastors fearing that in some way that we are looking for a reason to disqualify them. We want to do all we can if at all possible for our pastors to have lengthy, fruitful service.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Kris says:  OK, I'm going to beat the same dead horse I've beaten in comments over the past couple of weeks.  This particular piece of CJ's speech is intriguing to me because I think it contains a tacit admission that SGM-the-national-corporation functions in a governing capacity within local churches, a capacity that is nowhere acknowledged officially.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Basically, right here we have an admission from CJ himself that SGM Corporate is in charge of hiring and firing decisions.  That’s a far cry from the self-description that is posted on the SGM website, where SGM’s mission/purpose is described thus:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are a family of churches passionate about advancing the Great Commission through church planting. In support of that mission we facilitate partnerships among pastors, operate a Pastors College, host events, and publish books, music, and other resources.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wonder why SGM Corporate isn’t more forthcoming about its role in controlling which pastors work where, and how long these pastors remain in their positions.  How is this governing/controlling role for SGM Corporate reconciled with the notion that each SGM church is “independent” and self-contained?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know I have hammered at this for weeks, repeating myself again and again, but I think this is an important topic that needs clarification, particularly for the poor sap churches that are considering being adopted by SGM.  I don’t understand how SGM can claim that local churches are independent – and how, pre-adoption, churches can think that they will retain their independence but just get some vague level of support from SGM Corporate – when the reality is that SGM Corporate is the governing entity for hiring and firing decisions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For instance, it is quite likely that CJ’s son-in-law Steve Whitacre will be sent to take over and be the senior pastor of New Covenant Church in Arnold, MD.  New Covenant Church is in the final stages of being taken over by SGM as a “church re-plant.”  NCC put out some notes awhile back about a members’ meeting they held on July 4.  Those notes contained a Q&amp;amp;A section, where common questions were answered.  One question was, “So, SGM is picking our pastor?”  The answer was, “No, they are making suggestions.”  But that seems like a half-truth at best, for what would happen if the NCC folks were to object to Steve Whitacre as their new senior pastor?  What would happen to the adoption process for their church?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don’t understand why SGM Corporate isn’t more forthcoming about its governing role…and I don’t understand what a church like NCC would possibly be gaining by deceiving themselves and telling themselves that they have some sort of voice in these decisions…when pretty much, it’s already been decided.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is especially head-spinning for me.  Why do SGM churches continue to assert their independence when hiring and firing decisions are made for them by SGM Corporate?  Why do they continue to believe the lie that they are independent, when they cannot even have full freedom to select their own pastor?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And why does SGM Corporate not disclose its governing role but instead portrays itself as some sort of hands-off support group?]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, polity. you are aware of this involved in the process, it will continue. It is not something that should be done quickly , different ways. … 2 years this process. It has been the tireless work of Jeff and Dave, thanks for your patience and participation. I think we are making progress. It is going to take much longer to make the kind of progress we need to make. We should not be surprised about that. I had a leader say to me just the other day “the fact that you guys don’t have all of your polity clarified and formalized is not a sin. You are a very young movement. ” So that is encouraging, gave me hope.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Kris says:  While it's great that SGM is retooling its polity, it is not a very good sign that these changes are apparently being engineered behind the scenes, by the pastors themselves, with little (or no?) input from ordinary SGM members.  One of SGM's hugest problems has been its culture of secrecy and control, where the thinking and decision-making are done behind closed doors  by pastors and then announced to or foisted on people, sometimes even without even informing them directly.  If SGM is serious about change and has a good handle on its problems, any changes to polity would be done out in the open, with plenty of feedback from tithe-paying members.] &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One aspect of polity that I do regret not having in place and that would be the appropriate handling of grievances in conflict resolution. We have not had grievance procedures in place for pastors or church members so no doubt there are instances where former pastors or church members would have been greatly served by these procedures. I am sorry that. I am sorry for the effects of that. The board is addressing that. Obviously receiving the value of AoR concerning that become a consistent part of Sovereign Grace church and Sovereign Grace procedures as well. It needs to, we want to, it will become .. so that’s not exhaustive. It won’t surprise you that I have lots more to say. I am not going to say it today. I have lots more to say. I have never been this quiet for this long in my entire life. I was going to say it is killing me, but it is sanctifying. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, it would not be good leadership on my part for me to leave you preoccupied with areas of deficiency. It would not be good godly leadership. Do we have problems. Yes we do. But listen. Problems we are facing., confronting, experiencing. These things do not define us, and they do not define our churches. Sovereign Grace is a gospel preaching movement. And by God’s grace Sovereign Grace will continue to be a gospel preaching movement. One thing I would like to say and stress. We must not let our critics define us, or redefine us. I think the days ahead are going to require all the content of Dave’s excellent message.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the days ahead are going to require more discernment as it relates to the identification of slander and the influence of slander in our churches. I think the days ahead are going to require courage on the part of pastors and when necessary publicly identify those who are divisive.  I think the days ahead are not only going to require, I think they are going to require courage. I think in some ways in SG we have more humility than courage. And we are going to need more courage. Humble courage. It doesn’t mean we don’t learn from critique, we do. But there is a difference between learning from critique and allowing critics to define you. We are [not?] capitulating to slander in the name of humility.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Kris says:  I think every SGM member ought to be asking their pastors what this section of CJ's talk means.  SGM has historically redefined "slander" to mean the sharing of any information or thoughts that might not reflect positively upon leaders or the organization itself.  Is that how "slander" is going to continue to be defined?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And what does it mean to be "divisive"?  Why would "divisive" people need to be "publicly identified"?  What would such public identification entail?  Are people now going to be outed for asking questions or expressing disapproval of or disagreement with what SGM Corporate and CJ do at the top?  Why would pastors need "courage" in order to deal with "divisive" people, unless this pubic outing of the divisive folks is going to involve some sort of messy and unpleasant confrontation?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More importantly, how would such a witch hunt for the "divisive" jive with CJ's own words in this very message, the words about how people misapplied CJ's teachings about fellowship and have focused too much on confronting others about their sins?  Isn't it a total contradiction, to on the one hand condemn the hunt for sin in others while on the other hand end this message with a call to arms for pastors to exhibit "courage" and go and "publicly identify" those they think are being "divisive"?  Wouldn't such a process involve a whole lot of the same sin-sniffing CJ claims to now condemn?] &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So we are going to continue to evaluate ourselves. But it would not please God if we minimize the evidences of grace in our midst, that have been present and pronounced for so many years. This is not spin. This is not hype. This is not some form of SG self promotion. This is simply and humbly and accurately an acknowledgment of the mercy of God in and to SGM.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-9028072640858261749?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/9028072640858261749/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=9028072640858261749&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/9028072640858261749'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/9028072640858261749'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/11/transcript-of-cj-mahaneys-remarks-at.html' title='Transcript Of C.J. Mahaney’s Remarks At The Sovereign Grace Ministries 2011 Pastors Conference'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-2150789266429655305</id><published>2011-11-07T16:51:00.004Z</published><updated>2011-11-07T17:06:07.773Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM Uncensored'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dave Harvey'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Authority'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jared Mellinger'/><title type='text'>Divisive worse than Porn?  Foolish Teaching by Jared Mellinger</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Lwf18nVd9Fc/TrgP-LvI7XI/AAAAAAAADrU/cxzxes2EJlk/s1600/jaredm.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 203px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Lwf18nVd9Fc/TrgP-LvI7XI/AAAAAAAADrU/cxzxes2EJlk/s320/jaredm.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5672301291649953138" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;A follow-up to my previous post on the readiness and eagerness by SGM top-dogs to use "excommunication" as a very real threat to those who don't toe the party line.  I was alarmed and distressed to read about a rather strong sermon that Jared Mellinger (senior pastor of Covenant Fellowship Church - &lt;a href="http://www.covfel.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=151764"&gt;Dave Harvey's "base&lt;/a&gt;" and SGM's 2nd big flagship) preached yesterday on divisiveness.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I've been keeping my eye on &lt;a href="http://www.covfel.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=151764"&gt;Jared Mellinger&lt;/a&gt; ever since my dear friends Julie and Aaron Morris suffered under this guy's leadership.  I follow him on Twitter and have observed some tweets from him leading up to the sermon on Sunday - so I guess it was no surprise.  The essence of his statement was this (and here's &lt;a href="http://www.covfel.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=50793"&gt;the link&lt;/a&gt; just in case you need the source document);&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"It was said that it may be more destructive to go to an un-gracious website where half-truth and opinions are put forth, than to go to a porn site".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This seems to me to be an incredibly stupid as well as unwise thing to say - and something that is fired by Mr Mellinger's eagerness to keep Dave Harvey and returning President and Chairman C J Mahaney - sweet, rather than something that is driven and guided by the Word of God.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The aim?  Let's not deceive ourselves - Jared Mellinger is clearly keen to keep his church members from looking at &lt;a href="http://sgmsurvivors.com/"&gt;SGM Survivors&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://sgmrefuge.com/"&gt;SGM Refuge&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://brentdetweiler.com/"&gt;Brent Detweiler dot com&lt;/a&gt;.  However maybe he would do well to learn from the experience of the past.  I remember when our elders at our home church were trying to put us off going to any churches involved in the Toronto Blessing and spoke very strongly against it.  The effect?  Generally we were all quite interested in what was so bad about Toronto and many members went - or at least watched videos about it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I think Jared would do well to learn from Josh Harris's godly example.  The websites critiquing SGM are out there and are not going away.  Rather than putting your church leadership under scare tactics by saying something like this - he should do well to admit they are there.  Face up honestly to what is true - and speak honestly about what perhaps is exaggerated.  Maybe that will make his members relax and trust in his leadership - rather than feel under MORE condemnation and guilt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;1.  Those members who have read the sites now are (by his teaching) worse than those struggling with porn.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2.  Those members who genuinely struggle with porn now feel they aren't quite as bad as those who read those sites.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Both of which are ridiculous statements.  &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;ALL&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; sin is sin in the eyes of God - and &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;ALL&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; sin was dealt with at the Cross of Christ (that SGM purport to trumpet so much).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-2150789266429655305?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/2150789266429655305/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=2150789266429655305&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2150789266429655305'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2150789266429655305'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/11/divisive-worse-than-porn-foolish.html' title='Divisive worse than Porn?  Foolish Teaching by Jared Mellinger'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Lwf18nVd9Fc/TrgP-LvI7XI/AAAAAAAADrU/cxzxes2EJlk/s72-c/jaredm.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-2571307411154814186</id><published>2011-11-05T12:18:00.003Z</published><updated>2011-11-05T12:59:31.075Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sex Abuse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Authority'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brent Detweiler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Law'/><title type='text'>ENOUGH with the Excommunication Card!</title><content type='html'>It's time for a stern post and cross post.  &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My patience with the SGM saga has been rapidly waning.  Like all the other former members and pastors of SGM - we have all been watching with aching hearts hoping that reconciliation and forgiveness will come and that God will be glorified.  But the spin, the financial huge costs of "mediation" and the evil emails to and fro are just plain disgraceful to God and His glory.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 220px; height: 225px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qNnqqMuW4jY/TrUzIvCoSZI/AAAAAAAADrI/am5EU1aVU-4/s320/Excommunication.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5671495530902473106" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The final straw for me this week was to read that &lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/"&gt;Brent Detweiler&lt;/a&gt; apparently has been "&lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/brentdetwilercom/2011/11/3/crossway-pastors-threaten-to-excommunicate-me-for-being-divi.html"&gt;threatened with excommunication&lt;/a&gt;" by the pastors of an SGM church - &lt;a href="http://www.crosswaync.org/pastors.html"&gt;Crossway&lt;/a&gt; - which I believe he was key in founding.  I admit up front - I don't know the ins and outs.  Brent has not pretended he is faultless.  Indeed he has admitted he founded the faulty and abusive system that is causing so much damage and heartache.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My problem is the "&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication"&gt;excommunication card&lt;/a&gt;".  I have never even &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;HEARD&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; it mentioned - let alone used - until I encountered SGM.  There were disciplinary measures taken at very rare occasions in my home church in Dunstable.  But these were rare and shook the whole church to the foundation - and I &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;NEVER&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; heard the word "excommunication" used.  And to me - and my understand of Scripture - this is correct!  Excommunication is the absolute, last sorrowful act when there is absolutely no other option - in a final desperate plea to reach out to the member.  Paul spoke about it only once or twice (which we will get to).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I was absolutely horrified when two SGM pastors sat in a room 5 years ago and told me I was being "cast out to Satan".  It felt so unreal  - it was almost laughable (had I not been weeping tears).  I now learned that they were simply doing what they were told by the now-SGM Board member.  And that is forgiven and history.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But clearly the "E" card is still being shown and it is disgraceful.  It seems to me that the Crossway pastors are floundering.  Brent Detweiler has valid grievances that he has shared.  The Ambassadors of Reconciliation wrote in their report that he should be pursued with love to try and mend this.  Maybe the SGM Board feel this has been done - &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Evaluating-Brent-Detwilere28099s-allegations.aspx"&gt;frankly rejecting his request to be involved&lt;/a&gt; does not really match up to "pursuing".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My thoughts with the "Excommunication" threat with Brent are - and?!  He has already been forced out of SGM and his place on the then-"apostolic" team.  He has already been forced out of his pastorship of the church and has no guaranteed income apart from voluntary gifts.  C J on the other hand still DOES have his rather substantial income, royalties from books etc etc.  It's an empty threat and it stinks of playground tactics.  I hope Brent carries on speaking up - because there are many thousands behind him.  He is not alone.  How he keeps going with the snide emails, and open threats from some SGM pastors is beyond me.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;There are no winners here.  It will be interesting to see and hear how the SGM Pastors conference goes next week - with the lingering presence of C J Mahaney and the maybe/maybe not "special guest" Larry Tomczak.  I just pray and hope that this gets all heads to a conclusion because the world is watching and frankly - it isn't impressed.  Lost people are going to hell daily and burning - while SGM fiddles on the roof (while paying a hefty sum to mediate).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But ending on a positive note!  There is much to be grateful for and excited about.  Covenant Life Church had an &lt;a href="http://www.covlife.org/1030_members_mtg/"&gt;important members meeting&lt;/a&gt; that shows their hearts are still open to seeking God - led by the wonderful Josh Harris.  And my former church - Grace Church Bristol - where my family attend are seeing signs of the manifest Presence of God coming.  I was tremendously encouraged by a &lt;a href="http://www.gracechurchblog.com/2011/09/26/sundays-prophetic-song-for-those-struggling-with-doubt/"&gt;prophetic song&lt;/a&gt; that worship leader and former friend Angi Sussex shared and also my parents told me that they were holding a prophecy workshop!  So God is at work.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-2571307411154814186?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/2571307411154814186/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=2571307411154814186&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2571307411154814186'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2571307411154814186'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/11/enough-with-excommunication-card.html' title='ENOUGH with the Excommunication Card!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qNnqqMuW4jY/TrUzIvCoSZI/AAAAAAAADrI/am5EU1aVU-4/s72-c/Excommunication.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-8323446382722163957</id><published>2011-10-18T20:14:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-10-18T21:25:16.224+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Canada'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rob Rufus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Steve Schroeder'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kingdom God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='King and His Army'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ern Baxter'/><title type='text'>Ern Baxter and Rob Rufus - Celebrating Connections!!</title><content type='html'>I was absolutely thrilled to receive an email from Steve Schroeder - President of &lt;a href="http://canadacma.org/#/conference-news"&gt;Christian Ministers Association&lt;/a&gt; in Vancouver, Canada - who is hosting a conference this week with Rob Rufus as the keynote speaker.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--so9P42N5S8/Tp3ggotN66I/AAAAAAAADq4/TZrcJ8hF9mI/s320/Rob_Rufus.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 164px; height: 173px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5664930757589461922" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I trust those of you who read here frequently know by now that I don't dare to think highly of myself.  I write assuming no one will read here - it's more for my benefit.  So to hear that some of my transcripts meant that a major leader developed my love and appreciation for Rob Rufus and has in fact enabled Rob to go to a conference in Canada (where he's never been before) to minister to them - just &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;THRILLED&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; me!  My only ache is that the Lord would release the finances for me and Pete Day to go to these events!  Or release finances to pay for Rob to come back to the UK!  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Until that time - its great to follow this.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The key connection here is my two major heroes - Ern Baxter and Rob Rufus.  Steve and his leadership team have been actual spiritual sons of Ern himself.  Yet have sensed that Rob Rufus has so much to offer them.  I earnestly believe there is so much similarity between Ern and Rob's ministries - yet so much difference too.  The combination of great Kingdom themes - wow!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here's the email;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;FROM:&lt;/div&gt;stevecma@telus.net&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TO:  Dan Bowen&lt;br /&gt;Message flagged Monday, 17 October 2011, 2:02&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hi Dan&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just a note to say that your great work on honoring Ern Baxter had caught my eye some years ago. I had contacted you once before regarding some of Erns material that we have here in Canada. Ern was my Fathers pastor and mentor. We knew him well. He was also the Father to our ministerial fellowship here in Canada.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a result of my cruising your site I connected with Rob and Glenda. Tomorrow night and for the next three days they are ministering to our group of leaders from across Canada. It is his first visit to our Nation. We are anticipating a powerful time together.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You are part of this great connection. Thank you for your faithfulness. I will be posting the sessions on our web site after the convention is over. You can access them at Canadacma.org.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will send another note when we conclude.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Deepest blessings from Canada&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Steve Schroeder&lt;br /&gt;President&lt;br /&gt;Christian Ministers Association Canada  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-8323446382722163957?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/8323446382722163957/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=8323446382722163957&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8323446382722163957'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8323446382722163957'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/10/ern-baxter-and-rob-rufus-celebrating.html' title='Ern Baxter and Rob Rufus - Celebrating Connections!!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--so9P42N5S8/Tp3ggotN66I/AAAAAAAADq4/TZrcJ8hF9mI/s72-c/Rob_Rufus.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-5889019641526347450</id><published>2011-10-17T18:29:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-10-17T18:38:53.111+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Darlene Zscech'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kate Simmonds'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Worship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wendy Virgo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fini and Isi de Gersigny'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Louise Fellingham'/><title type='text'>Learning How to Worship from a Worshipper!!</title><content type='html'>One of my favourite pasttimes if I am struggling to engage with God during worship in church is to focus and watch someone who is "in the zone" and I find it lifts my spirits and before long I am leaving distractions aside and focusing on what really matters - or Who really matters!  One of the reasons why I treasure women worship leaders so much - such as &lt;a href="http://katesimmonds.com/"&gt;Kate Simmonds&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.loufellingham.com/"&gt;Lou Fellingham&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.darlenezschech.com/"&gt;Darlene Zschech&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href="http://www.jubilee.org.au/"&gt;Isi de Gersigny&lt;/a&gt; - is I find they are far more abandoned to worship and far more ready to move into the Holy Place.  I love it!&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S6CGzGYfdAg/TpxoBQRjk-I/AAAAAAAADqs/otxNzaMCEEE/s320/6.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 214px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5664516802083001314" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And &lt;a href="http://wendyvirgo.wordpress.com/"&gt;Wendy Virgo&lt;/a&gt; is no exception.  Although she doesn't leave worship, she is pretty easy to spot in a Newfrontiers conference.  She is usually to be spotted in the front row with both arms raised - lost in wonder, love and praise.  &lt;a href="http://wendyvirgo.wordpress.com/2011/10/17/thoughts-on-worship/"&gt;So it is great to read her latest blog post&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"The pastor called the chattering mob to order. “OK folks! Time to stop talking and start worshipping!” It was hard to get them to focus at first: 500+ people all greeting, hugging, laughing, swapping stories, kids milling about. It was warm, friendly, lively and strangers were welcomed gladly. But John the pastor persevered, and the band played some chords. “OK, are you ready to worship? God is here. He will meet with us and speak to us.”&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Somehow you knew this was true; it had already been demonstrated in the expressions of love in the large auditorium. Now the people responded, rising to their feet to sing. For the next 50 minutes we were in glory, enjoying God, celebrating our salvation, worshipping the King among us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A lot of the time our hands were in the air, or clapping, or both. The band was technically excellent: it was difficult to keep still! The words of the songs were declarations of truth that resonated in heart and mind. It was loud, but it seemed appropriate!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There were prophecies, a reading or two, a tongue and interpretation, a prophetic song. From the top of the banked seating to the front of the auditorium, there was enthusiastic involvement. It drew to a close after about 50 mins. Long? It didn’t feel long. When Terry came to preach, he was speaking to hearts that were open, primed to hear and receive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have been in worship that was technically excellent, but empty. I have been in long worship that seemed endless! I have been in loud worship and it was simply noise that made my ears hurt. I have also been in worship that was efficient, brief lasted exactly  14 minutes and 32 secs, and it did not leave me longing for more; no room for gifts of the Spirit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have learned a technique:  when I am in an unfamiliar crowd and I want to find Jesus, I imagine I am like the woman who needed to press through and touch his robe. I try to push through the obstacles to find Him. But it is so refreshing when you are in a crowd that is shouting hosanna, metaphorically waving palm branches and welcoming the King! Seeker friendly? Bah, humbug!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So—how do you get there? You prioritise on the presence of God. Musicians learn that they are like priests who stand before God and the people, and make it easy or hard to find Him. There has to be an ethos in the church of anticipating the presence of God, to recognise Him, cherish Him and respond to Him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The previous day, we had looked around an amazing new facility that had become available for their newest church plant. This is a burgeoning church, a church on the move, but a worshipping church. Gifts of the Spirit flow; lives are being changed; people are being saved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What an edifying weekend!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-5889019641526347450?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/5889019641526347450/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=5889019641526347450&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/5889019641526347450'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/5889019641526347450'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/10/learning-how-to-worship-from-worshipper.html' title='Learning How to Worship from a Worshipper!!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S6CGzGYfdAg/TpxoBQRjk-I/AAAAAAAADqs/otxNzaMCEEE/s72-c/6.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-7014838958725863723</id><published>2011-10-08T22:52:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-10-09T00:10:26.781+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Worship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hymns'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Noel Tredinnick'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prom Praise'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gospel'/><title type='text'>Prom Praise Birmingham!!</title><content type='html'>I come home very, very blessed from a wonderful night out in Birmingham.  The awesome Prom Praise was in Birmingham - run by the &lt;a href="http://www.allsoulsorchestra.org/"&gt;All Souls Orchestra and Choir&lt;/a&gt; conducted by my hero - &lt;a href="http://www.allsouls.org/Groups/132681/All_Souls_site/Discovering/Staff_and_Leadership/Staff_and_Leadership.aspx"&gt;Noel Tredinnick&lt;/a&gt;.  I have been a fan of these wonderful people since I was back in Dunstable.  I remember my first Prom Praise well (although I can't quite remember who was responsible for taking us).  Life in the Spirit at our home church was deteriorating well and truly - the hymn/prayer sandwich was the name of the game and to be frank - I was bored with Christianity.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NskAD1aTrWU/TpDXlPi0gAI/AAAAAAAADqY/yLFT78OpmAI/s320/Prom%2BPraise%2Bat%2BBirmingham.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 240px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5661261766432423938" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So to visit Prom Praise in the Royal Albert Hall and hear hymns sang out in such a heavenly manner was life-changing.  To realise it is okay to be excited about the wonderful gospel and our amazing God! I never forgot it.  It's been a few years since I've last been - so it was great to be back.  A few highlights for me;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;1.  The outstanding &lt;a href="http://www.concordiafoundation.com/current-concordia-artists/grace-yeo-piano"&gt;Grace Yeo&lt;/a&gt; performing &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Concerto_No._3_(Rachmaninoff)"&gt;Rachmaninov's "Concerto No. 2 in C Minor (Finale&lt;/a&gt;)".  I'm ashamed to say I have never been a massive fan of classical music but to watch this gifted young woman (and a member of All Souls Langham place) perform this piece on a grand piano - without music - and watch her fingers moving faster than I could watch was breathtaking!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2.  Singing Stuart Townend's; "&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deL06aw8xeg&amp;amp;feature=related"&gt;The Power of the Cross&lt;/a&gt;" and one of my favourite hymns; "&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKK3m9WOYuo"&gt;O Lord my God (How Great Thou art&lt;/a&gt;)".  There is something heavenly about singing these amazing truths to a thundering great organ and an orchestra.  I'm sure it's just a small touch of what heaven will be like!  Particularly this verse;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"When Christ shall come with shout of acclamation and take me home -&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;what joy shall fill my heart!  Then shall I bow in humble adoration,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;and there proclaim, my God - how great Thou art!".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;3.  I was surprised and taken aback by Pam Rhodes hosting and "Pause for Thought".  I've known of her well of course on Songs of Praise but wouldn't call myself a fan particularly.  However her ten minute "chat" was a breath of fresh air.  She shared a couple of thoughts that really stuck with me.  She was asking her family about what commandments they would invent if they could to add to the 10 Commandments for a Radio 2 show.  Her 19 year old nephew said this;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"I will respond to your encouragement but I resent your criticism".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It made me realise how utterly &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;NEGATIVE&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; my Christian life and church experience has become.  Talk of indwelling sin, bad conscience, accountability groups and so on have seared me with a view that God may have saved me but is constantly angry at me and disappointed in me.  But Noel Tredinnick made a comment in between songs about how "the Second Adam" has come to reconcile us to God - and the New Covenant is all about open fellowship with God!  So why are we blaspheming the Cross by going back to (or falling from grace) when we were separated from Him?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I am reminded by the &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/file.axd?file=2011/8/aor-proposal.pdf"&gt;Ambassadors of Reconciliation comment on SGM and their current difficulties&lt;/a&gt; - the observation of (in SGM);&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"... the lack of proclaiming God's grace to one another that seems apparent in this dispute.  When confessions were made ... we observed no evidence of proclaiming God's forgiveness to the one who confessed".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Oh for more positivity - not just in SGM but the church worldwide!  I will never forget hearing &lt;a href="http://www.prodigals.org.uk/prodigal(book)2.shtml"&gt;Rob Parson's making a prophetic statement at Spring Harvest 1998&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"When the Father's house is filled with the Father's love - then the prodigals will come home".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Back to Prom Praise - all in all it was a wonderful evening and my faith is greatly built.  I shall most definitely be attending the &lt;a href="http://www.allsoulsorchestra.org/Events/2011-12-10/Christmas-Praise-2011/"&gt;Christmas Praise concert&lt;/a&gt; in London and the main event - &lt;a href="http://www.allsoulsorchestra.org/Events/2012-04-21/Prom-Praise-London-2012/"&gt;Prom Praise at the Royal Albert Hall&lt;/a&gt; next April!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-7014838958725863723?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/7014838958725863723/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=7014838958725863723&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/7014838958725863723'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/7014838958725863723'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/10/prom-praise-birmingham.html' title='Prom Praise Birmingham!!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NskAD1aTrWU/TpDXlPi0gAI/AAAAAAAADqY/yLFT78OpmAI/s72-c/Prom%2BPraise%2Bat%2BBirmingham.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-8196007727270574828</id><published>2011-10-06T21:48:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-10-06T22:50:58.826+01:00</updated><title type='text'>A Message from Brent Detweiler</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;Should I Participate in the SGM “Group Reconciliation?”&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Absolutely but Not Naively!  - by Brent Detwiler&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On October 1, Dave Harvey posted “Group Reconciliation Assistance and how you can be involved.” That post drew massive criticism. As a result, SGM is allowing people to provide feedback without mandatory attendance at the “Getting to the Heart of the Conflict” seminar on November 8 during the Pastors Conference. Praise God!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, you can appear before “congress” and give testimony without traveling to D.C. I’d encourage every person to take advantage of this opportunity. The leaders of Sovereign Grace Ministries have been deaf, dumb and mute when it comes to serious and substantial charges against them. Maybe God will open their ears, minds and mouths. But not if we are silent. Now is the time to speak.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can’t guarantee this “group reconciliation” will result in biblical change. I doubt the findings will ever be published in any specificity. I don’t imagine it will hinder C.J. from returning as President. And I can’t envision any disciplinary being taken against men like Dave Harvey, Bob Kauflin, Steve Shank or Gene Emerson. I am not naive. Disappointment has become an dubious friend. Disillusionment an unwelcomed companion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it is still important for all of us to share our grievance, offenses, concerns, observations and correction. There are still good people and good churches in SGM. There is still the possibility of public repentance, confession and restitution by C.J., the SGM Board, and other leaders in SGM churches throughout America and the world. Read the book of Jonah and the ESV footnotes. God is compassionate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But people must courageously speak up regarding their former or present SGM church and its leaders. This is not a time for silence. This is a time to speak out. Yes, redemptively, but also loudly and clearly!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The hundreds of people who left the Richmond Church must speak. The good folks who were part of Grace Community Church in Mooresville, NC must speak. Brothers and sisters from Gaithersburg, Ashburn, Orlando, Phoenix, San Diego, Charlotte, Denver, Stillwater, Philadelphia, and a host of other cities must lift their voice and send in their thoughts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If SGM doesn’t hear from us they can make a case that concerns for the ministry are overstated and actually quite limited in scope. It can be presented as all is well except for a few tweaks here and there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Voting in a national election doesn’t always produce the desired results but it is necessary, right and sometime effective. So too, writing your Senator regarding the budget, health care, abortion may accomplish nothing. But is a civic duty and God is pleased to use your efforts as He sees fit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I spent two hours laying out my concerns for SGM to Ted Kober, President of Ambassadors of Reconciliation, on July 14. I covered critical issues like the growing presence of lying, deceit, manipulation, lording, hypocrisy, and spiritual abuse by C.J. and others. I’ve provided him 1,000 pages of documentation. But I am one voice and it is a voice SGM has sought to silence. All my writings have now been condemned as gossip and slander. They are off limits to people in Sovereign Grace churches. So SGM may not listen to me but maybe they will listen to a multitude of people around the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Please participate for the glory of God, the advance of the gospel, and the good of people in the movement&lt;/b&gt;! Sovereign Grace Ministries used to be different. It has changed for the worse and is in need of radical reform. But God can restore them if there is authentic repentance that results from your faithful appeals. Therefore, pray for them and contact AOR. See how below.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brent&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-8196007727270574828?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/8196007727270574828/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=8196007727270574828&amp;isPopup=true' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8196007727270574828'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8196007727270574828'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/10/message-from-brent-detweiler.html' title='A Message from Brent Detweiler'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-7356757517086578456</id><published>2011-10-05T11:18:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-10-05T12:16:04.581+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Reconciliation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Forgiveness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Larry Tomczak'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><title type='text'>Sad News: Larry Tomczak uninvited from SGM Pastors Conference</title><content type='html'>One of the things that massively encouraged me in July when the whole SGM saga broke out and C J Mahaney stepped down from leadership was the seemingly-successful reconciliation with Larry Tomczak.  Years of broken relationships seemed to be mended!  C J himself made a big deal of the fact he had invited Larry to be a "special guest" at the SGM Leaders conference and had even given great thought to how Larry would be appreciated and welcomed (these comments were made at what essentially was his farewell to Covenant Life Church);&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IpcQ8fhHjw4/Tow5QPoavLI/AAAAAAAADqQ/wZxbXK9EbGY/s320/4cdb180ad4f297c2a4f070aa35114547_1M.png" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 195px; height: 217px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5659961782934617266" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"And in November I have asked Larry to come and be our special guest at the Pastors’ Conference where we will once again stand side by side. [applause]  Actually we won’t stand side by side. I think it would be more appropriate for me to stand aside. And he has been a wonderful example to me of forgiveness. I want to emulate that".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I know some of SGM's critics on "SGM Survivors" were affronted at what they saw as C J's presumptive attitude that he would be back from his "season of reflection" by November but I honestly was encouraged!  I do believe heaven rejoices and the gospel is advanced when Christians can admit they are human and forgive.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But sadly according to &lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/brentdetwilercom/2011/10/4/harvey-tells-tomczak-to-stay-home.html"&gt;an exchange of emails between Brent Detweiler and Larry Tomczak&lt;/a&gt; at the end of September - he has been "uninvited" by Dave Harvey;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;"From: Larry Tomczak&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:20 AM&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To: Brent Detwiler&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Subject: Re: November Conference&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hello Brent!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for writing.  I hope you and Jenny are doing well, my friend.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, the invited has been put on hold because Dave wrote me saying that with all the things going on right now they felt it would be best to wait til more is resolved in the matters at hand". &lt;/i&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Two things are saddening me and disappointing me about this whole process now.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;1.  The massive amounts of money involved in "mediation".  Why can't they just talk?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2.  Now Larry being "disinvited" for - let's face it - rather vague reasons.  If C J and Larry are reconciled then why would it hurt keeping the invitation?  At least it would be something to encourage SGM during a difficult period.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Still hopeful and praying.  And I mean that - I've visited my former church - Grace Church Bristol - twice now and been encouraged so much each time.  May God work miracles and convict where conviction is required.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-7356757517086578456?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/7356757517086578456/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=7356757517086578456&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/7356757517086578456'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/7356757517086578456'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/10/sad-news-larry-tomczak-uninvited-from.html' title='Sad News: Larry Tomczak uninvited from SGM Pastors Conference'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IpcQ8fhHjw4/Tow5QPoavLI/AAAAAAAADqQ/wZxbXK9EbGY/s72-c/4cdb180ad4f297c2a4f070aa35114547_1M.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-8423361665967114239</id><published>2011-10-01T19:12:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-10-02T17:04:03.612+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Reconciliation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SG'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Forgiveness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brent Detweiler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><title type='text'>Why Can't You Just Talk?!</title><content type='html'>It's been a blast from the past - I've been watching a programme about one of my favourite groups from a decade ago - "&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steps_(group)"&gt;Steps&lt;/a&gt;".  2001 was one of the worst years of my life.  My beloved grandmother died.  A close friend (almost like a second mum to me) died suddenly from cancer.  I was finishing my degree in nursing with all the stresses that brought - and then the group who's music I loved split up suddenly!  You may laugh - but their Christmas break up has scarred Christmas's since for me.  ;-)&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The programme is a four-part but it's an interesting concept.  The band members split ten years ago and haven't been in the same room since apparently since.  The programme is filming them sitting together for the first time and working through some of the issues which clearly still traumatize some of them.  The girls especially frequently break down in tears. Time - it seems - isn't always a healer as I know too well!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;What's my point?  The "Steps" programme just made me reflect and realise that much of the problems, trials, troubles that have caused me heartache, grief, pain, nightmares and sleepless nights over my lifetime could have all be sorted out by "talking".  More than that - on a wider sphere, thousands of pounds (I believe) could be saved by "talking".  Even wars could have been stopped maybe sometimes by "talking"!  Isn't that the point of the United Nations?  To try and prevent wars?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Look at prominent celeb preacher C J Mahaney.  So much of his prophetic-ministry preaching career focusing on the Cross of Christ has been momentarily forgotten with the interest and focus on his high-profile splits with Brent Detweiler ([the '&lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/brentdetwilercom/2011/9/30/why-sending-out-the-documents-was-not-slanderous-but-necessa.html"&gt;Documents&lt;/a&gt;' would never have had to have gone out if they could have sat together surely?) and Josh Harris.  Thousands of pounds potentially are being spent in outside mediators - which seems a massive disgrace to the Person of Jesus Christ and the gospel.  Why can't they just sit down and "talk"?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Group-Reconciliation-Assistance-and-how-you-can-be-involved.aspx"&gt;SGM are starting to move into the mediation process&lt;/a&gt; with all those that have fallen out with them - and the reconciliation process seems very formal.  The agreement involves signing a form that disallows any of the discussions from being used in a court of law.  What shocked me again was the costs involved in this process.  &lt;a href="http://www.hisaor.org/web-content/Images/ConsutationAgreement.pdf"&gt;Ambassadors of Reconciliation costs are as follows&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Our consulting fees are charged at $150.00 per hour for actual consultation and preparation time, plus expenses. A daily maximum of $1,200.00 applies when hours exceed 8 per day. A weekly maximum of $6,000.00 applies when hours exceed 40 hours in one seven-day continuous period of time".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;As Brent Detweiler said, "&lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/brentdetwilercom/2011/9/15/getting-rid-of-specks-is-expensive.html"&gt;Getting rid of specks is expensive&lt;/a&gt;".  Two thoughts occur to me;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;1.  Do these AoR costs apply to just one individual?  Or to each person who has a grievance with SGM?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2.  Is SGM footing the bill for this?  Surely this is going to be a &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;STAGGERING&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; amount of money spent from people's tithes!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I say again - why can't we all just sit down and talk?  It wasn't easy at all pursuing reconciliation with my SGM situation in the UK.  I didn't know whether the SGM pastors would be hostile or happy to see me.  They had asked to see a copy of the agenda and I feared I would be crucified yet again.  If they had stuck to their guns and insisted they had done nothing wrong - I doubt I would be now enjoying the peace and joy I have and the renewed relationships with them.  The only external party was my dear friend Pete Day who came to support me out of his own time and costs.  I guess from their point of view, they didn't know how receptive I would be either - we had to take a risk!  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This money should be going to reach the lost!  To spread the gospel!  To help the poor!  To plant churches!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Rant over.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-8423361665967114239?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/8423361665967114239/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=8423361665967114239&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8423361665967114239'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8423361665967114239'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/10/why-cant-you-just-talk.html' title='Why Can&apos;t You Just Talk?!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-8377057469723172249</id><published>2011-09-26T11:42:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-09-26T12:39:58.440+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Worship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Faith'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prophets'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prophecy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Grace Church Bristol'/><title type='text'>I love the Prophetic!</title><content type='html'>I was so incredibly blessed to &lt;a href="http://www.gracechurchblog.com/2011/09/26/sundays-prophetic-song-for-those-struggling-with-doubt/"&gt;read this prophetic song&lt;/a&gt; that was shared last Sunday from my old church in Bristol - &lt;a href="http://www.gracechurchblog.com/"&gt;Grace Church Bristol&lt;/a&gt; - by an old friend Angi who is the worship leader there.  The song lyrics really hit home &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;directly&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; to where I am at at the moment.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It's great that the prophetic can bless others in a greater sphere than the local church!  Here is what she felt God tell her;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Sunday 25th September 2011&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZHmNTsN5WkY/ToBkeveKIvI/AAAAAAAADqI/NMiWsPLlF34/s320/Grace.CrossOnly.Logo_CMYK.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 128px; height: 128px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5656631611279155954" /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Prophetic Song for those Struggling with Doubt.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;"I hear your cry, I see your tears in the night&lt;br /&gt;You are weak and you wonder why&lt;br /&gt;You feel alone but I am with you&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So let my grace, let my grace be enough&lt;br /&gt;Find your strength in me the solid rock&lt;br /&gt;for my power never ends&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For I am the God who draws near unto&lt;br /&gt;Those who call on me&lt;br /&gt;I welcome you to my throne of grace&lt;br /&gt;To find help in times of need&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hear your cry, my promised good you cannot see&lt;br /&gt;Your situation’s not what you want it to be&lt;br /&gt;But it’s my design and sovereignty&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So let my peace, let my peace bring calm to your soul&lt;br /&gt;In stormy trials I won’t let you go&lt;br /&gt;Rest in the shadow of my wings&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For I’m the God who heals the brokenhearted&lt;br /&gt;I stoop down to seek the lost&lt;br /&gt;I’ve shown my love and compassion for you&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the mercy of the cross&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;I’m the father to the fatherless&lt;br /&gt;The defender of the weak&lt;br /&gt;Always watching over you&lt;br /&gt;Put your trust in me&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So lift you eyes to me your Coming King&lt;br /&gt;Lift your heart and voice to sing&lt;br /&gt;Hope in my love that’s unfailing&lt;br /&gt;I’m the sustainer of everything&lt;br /&gt;I’m your God, trust in me"&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-8377057469723172249?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/8377057469723172249/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=8377057469723172249&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8377057469723172249'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8377057469723172249'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/09/i-love-prophetic.html' title='I love the Prophetic!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZHmNTsN5WkY/ToBkeveKIvI/AAAAAAAADqI/NMiWsPLlF34/s72-c/Grace.CrossOnly.Logo_CMYK.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-9143137118127350882</id><published>2011-09-21T11:15:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-09-21T11:56:55.661+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Apostles'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ephesians 4 Ministries'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dave Holden'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prophets'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Newfrontiers'/><title type='text'>Vision of Church!</title><content type='html'>I am always on the hunt for faith-building definitions of church.  In this day and age there seems to be so much to affect our belief in the Bride of Christ.  &lt;a href="http://thewartburgwatch.com/2011/09/20/sbc-leaders-explore-name-change/"&gt;Denominations make much of changing of a name&lt;/a&gt; (confusing to me!).  &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/What-happened-to-the-apostolic-team.aspx"&gt;Others downgrade their once held positions&lt;/a&gt;.  It's vital to hold to a Word-based expression that inevitably leads to glorious reaching of the lost.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://newcommunitychurch.org.uk/blog/dave-holden/local-and-global.htm"&gt;Dave Holden tweeted this morning&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Sadly, many churches in the UK struggle to catch this vision. The reason, I believe, has to do with their foundations. Many are built fundamentally on pastoral foundations. This means that the leaders of these churches see it as their duty to only care for ‘their people’, not necessarily to be released to go and reach new people. Members of this kind of church see having their needs met as the primary reason for being in the church. If this doesn’t happen then they become easily disappointed. They may well even leave and go and find another church in the hope that they might do a better job! They may even object when the church starts to grow, realising that the more people there are, the less likely it is that attention will be given to them!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If, however, your church is built on apostolic, prophetic foundations as described for example in Ephesians 2:19-22, your church has at its very root a passion to be sent and to send. In other words, we exist not only to meet the needs of our existing members, but to constantly desire to go and meet the needs of those who are not yet a part of us".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Oh for more churches with this apostolic/prophetic foundations!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-9143137118127350882?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/9143137118127350882/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=9143137118127350882&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/9143137118127350882'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/9143137118127350882'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/09/vision-of-church.html' title='Vision of Church!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-8051997881050827627</id><published>2011-09-17T05:57:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-09-17T06:03:04.985+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Covenant Life Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joshua Harris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brent Detweiler'/><title type='text'>The SGM Saga Rumbles on ...</title><content type='html'>So the latest in this less-than-God-glorifying saga is as follows apparently from Brent Detweiler;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/brentdetwilercom/2011/9/15/when-confidentiality-equals-concealment-cj-versus-joshua.html"&gt;When Confidentiality Equals Concealment – C.J. versus Joshua&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;For those who don't have the time or inclination to follow the link, briefly a meeting was set up between C J Mahaney and Josh Harris "with their advisors" to attempt reconciliation.  We were told (I believe) that this period is for C J himself to "consider" his own sins.  Apparently he has time to air his grievances against his young protegee.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It's a pricey business - this resolving of disputes;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/brentdetwilercom/2011/9/15/getting-rid-of-specks-is-expensive.html"&gt;Getting Rid of Specks Is Expensive&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Mediation costs around $150 an &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;HOUR&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.  Money which could be spent on furthering the gospel, helping out dying children in the Third World.  And so on.  I am reminded of Paul's words in 1 Corinthians to a similar people who were taking their fellow Christians to court because they couldn't settle their disputes;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;1 Corinthians 6:5 &lt;i&gt;“I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers?”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-8051997881050827627?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/8051997881050827627/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=8051997881050827627&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8051997881050827627'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8051997881050827627'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/09/sgm-saga-rumbles-on.html' title='The SGM Saga Rumbles on ...'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-406279001920722161</id><published>2011-09-13T14:09:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-09-13T14:44:49.637+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Writing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nursing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vaccinations'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Swine Flu'/><title type='text'>I'm a Published Author!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;I know this doesn't have much to do with theology or Kingdom or the usual charismatic historical blogs I normally publish - but it's something I am very personally excited about.  I have just had my first article published in &lt;a href="http://www.vaccinesinpractice.co.uk/vip/current.asp"&gt;medical journal on vaccinations/immunisations&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Long term readers may know that for a couple of years I worked outside of my normal clinical area and focused on Emergency Planning and especially H1N1 (Pandemic Swine Flu).  &lt;a href="http://www.bch.org.uk/"&gt;The hospital authorities&lt;/a&gt; didn't know whether the H1N1 virus would be more serious than it eventually turned out to be (even though I still feel the death toll was too much for a preventable disease).  So my role was to support the nursing staff on the wards with care of H1N1 positive patients alongside working with Microbiologists to prevent impact of the virus.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Another key role was to coordinate the immunisation campaign of all healthcare workers at the hospital.  Traditionally the uptake of vaccination of healthcare workers is quite poor.  For whatever reason, nurses don't like being told they have to have a flu vaccine.  However for the two years I led the campaign we had an outstanding response - from around 90 to 98%.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cynRORfkRnM/Tm9eDsLoK4I/AAAAAAAADqA/ut_39qOxaSY/s400/Article%2Bon%2BVaccination%2BUptake.png" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5651839474865810306" style="display: block; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: auto; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 267px; height: 400px; " /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I wrote the article with some thoughts on why we had such success - and I was interested to see that another article in the journal was by a senior immunisation doctor in the Department of Health - who had also noticed our results and took a more national perspective.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UWICk7KIz2A/Tm9cxmPfY-I/AAAAAAAADp4/KzhGraoiT_A/s400/DOH%2Barticle.png" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5651838064522126306" style="display: block; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: auto; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 267px; height: 400px; " /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So there it is ... I wonder if I will ever fulfill my dream and have something published in the Christian world on Ern Baxter or Kingdom principles?!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-406279001920722161?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/406279001920722161/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=406279001920722161&amp;isPopup=true' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/406279001920722161'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/406279001920722161'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/09/im-published-author.html' title='I&apos;m a Published Author!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cynRORfkRnM/Tm9eDsLoK4I/AAAAAAAADqA/ut_39qOxaSY/s72-c/Article%2Bon%2BVaccination%2BUptake.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-6100966905930350909</id><published>2011-09-06T18:46:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-09-06T19:44:28.386+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Charismatic Resurgence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Terry Virgo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Alex Buchanan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Martyn Lloyd-Jones'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pete Day'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Revival'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesse Phillips'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Charismatic Movement'/><title type='text'>Calling for a New Charismatic Resurgence!!</title><content type='html'>I've been having a fantastic chat with two former members of my home church in Dunstable about the "coming upon" of the Spirit over on Facebook - provoked by Alex Buchanan's wonderful ministry.  Not everyone is aware that during his unique ministry, &lt;a href="http://www.alexbuchanan.co.uk/index.php?option=com_remository&amp;amp;Itemid=64&amp;amp;func=fileinfo&amp;amp;id=12"&gt;Alex was a co-pastor at our church in Dunstable&lt;/a&gt; and actually dedicated me as a baby.  Alex was more famous for his prophetic ministry as a "pastor to pastors" with people such as Terry Virgo and R T Kendall.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XcZeSsv49LE/TmZplpN52hI/AAAAAAAADpw/frwGLYuQQS0/s320/tabernacle1enlargement.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 206px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5649318878023113234" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I was reflecting on the current life of the charismatic empowering gifts in the local church and it seems to me that once again there has been polarising in the church (especially in the UK).  Classic "charismatic" churches have happily settled down into what is "normal" seeing a few manifestations on a Sunday.  Cessationist churches most certainly do not.  And "open but cautious" churches accept the concept of the charismatic but I guess rarely see it.  There is rarely (I think) the "heavenly divine intervention" of spiritual gifts where non-believers are profoundly affected to the point of falling down and saying; "Truly God is among you!".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;John Piper wrote famously; "Mission exists because worship does not".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It seems to me that churches are pouring resources into mission - when no one seems to be examining the desperate need for a revival of life, of a charismatic resurgency in our churches - seeing God in the risen Jesus Christ walking among His churches.  2006 and 2007 were years of some excitement and anticipation for me personally among other friends - Rob Rufus's presence at the Brighton conferences here in the UK seemed to suggest that God was moving in this country.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I began to collate a post on the "Spirit of God" blog called "&lt;a href="http://spirit-of-god.blogspot.com/2007/05/list-of-online-resources-for.html"&gt;A List of Online Resources for the Charismatic Resurgence&lt;/a&gt;".  I have loved re-reading it - it reminded me of so much encouraging material I wrote with friends back in those times!  The actual post was inspired by my friend Jesse Phillips - an SGM pastor in Florida - who asked the question;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"... if blogs could contribute to a reformed resurgence, could not the blogosphere also contribute to a charismatic resurgence, particularly by increasing people's faith for gifts such as prophecy, faith, miracles or healing?".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In his excellent book, "The Tide is Turning!" - &lt;a href="http://peterjrday.blogspot.com/2007/05/hiding-in-caves.html"&gt;Terry Virgo wrote&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"On the whole we too have grown up in a generation that has not seen the mighty acts of God as our forefathers did. We have not seen revivals during which thousands flock into the churches to get right with God. Unlike our fathers we have not known whole towns change, with demonstrations of power and incredible manifestations of the glory of God. The majority of our generation knows nothing of these things so we may closely identify with the Israel of Gideon's day".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;One of the reasons I love drawing people in my parent's generation out about the events in their days - the life that they saw in the 1970's and 1980's was because it is faith-building!  It reminds us that God can and does intervene in life!  Just because we do not see the mighty acts of God directly here in the UK at the moment - does &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;NOT&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; mean that He cannot and does not do it!  Yet so many Christians adapt their theology to meet their experience and as a result our faith drops.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My dearest pastor friend &lt;a href="http://peterjrday.blogspot.com/2007/06/fueling-charismatic-resurgence.html"&gt;Pete Day wrote this in a blog post&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"I would encourage anyone who God prompts to begin to contribute to the charismatic resurgence! Let's fan the flame in each other's hearts and &lt;u&gt;fan the flame for revival&lt;/u&gt;".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I am challenged and would like to re-devote this blog to doing exactly that and "fanning the flame for revival".  Of course my other concerns and interests remain - such as my friends in Sovereign Grace and the troubles they are going through - but revival surely must be our primary concern and (as Dr Lloyd-Jones said); "The greatest need of the hour".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-6100966905930350909?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/6100966905930350909/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=6100966905930350909&amp;isPopup=true' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6100966905930350909'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6100966905930350909'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/09/calling-for-new-charismatic-resurgence.html' title='Calling for a New Charismatic Resurgence!!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XcZeSsv49LE/TmZplpN52hI/AAAAAAAADpw/frwGLYuQQS0/s72-c/tabernacle1enlargement.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-5865428186308455283</id><published>2011-09-05T11:36:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-09-05T11:40:40.102+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Song of Solomon'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Alex Buchanan'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Word and Spirit'/><title type='text'>Alex Buchanan on the Song of Solomon</title><content type='html'>I am always on the hunt for positive and encouraging insights into the Song of Solomon - a favourite Book of the Bible to me.  Through a conversation on Facebook I have been having today with a friend and fellow member of my home church in Dunstable, I have been drawn to &lt;a href="http://www.alexbuchanan.co.uk/"&gt;Alex Buchanan's website&lt;/a&gt; and found a downloadable book on his insights into this great book.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KX03mFGwwhU/TmSnDQFSkYI/AAAAAAAADpo/PSbBK4MBz_Q/s320/Alex%2BBuchanan.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 262px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5648823506928046466" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here's the &lt;a href="http://www.alexbuchanan.co.uk/index.php?option=com_remository&amp;amp;Itemid=64&amp;amp;func=startdown&amp;amp;id=141"&gt;introduction and statement&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"I regard the Book as a wonderful illustration of the relationship between Jesus and His Bride. Between God and Christians. It is a love story, but as we read on we will realise that, although it is romantic, it is also demanding and at times dangerous. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;The themes are - &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;The strong love between bride and groom, i.e. the Shulammite woman and the shepherd -&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His utter faithfulness and her relative faithfulness – she failed hin twice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His jealous love, and loving anger (ch5:6).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The seduction of the world and the flesh (assurance of and trusting in our own resources)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The dangers of the unequal yoke.  Supposing the woman had married the king and not the Shepherd! It would be like a Christian marrying a non- Christian contrary to what the Bibe says.&lt;br /&gt;No need for inhibitions.  What is wrong with speaking of sexual union in a pure context?  The Bible is frank and wholesome in it’s treatment of sex. After all, God invented it!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally my greatest passion is to know God better than I do and to be more like Him than I am. &lt;u&gt;The Song of Solomon has been a great help to me in realising my ambition&lt;/u&gt;. I still have a long way to go – but I am going!  I hope more than anything else that this Book will help some to be more deeply in love with God, and therefore more obedient to his commandments".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I am looking forward to reading more!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-5865428186308455283?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/5865428186308455283/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=5865428186308455283&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/5865428186308455283'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/5865428186308455283'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/09/alex-buchanan-on-song-of-solomon.html' title='Alex Buchanan on the Song of Solomon'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KX03mFGwwhU/TmSnDQFSkYI/AAAAAAAADpo/PSbBK4MBz_Q/s72-c/Alex%2BBuchanan.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-1441533362645752517</id><published>2011-08-31T18:27:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-31T18:57:38.365+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christian Leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Word and Spirit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><title type='text'>Church Membership: Any Exemptions?</title><content type='html'>The SGM story continues to evolve in it's bumpy manner.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I think one of the difficulties here is that the Word of God does not lay down specific instructions for every event that the church may meet.  Rather it lays down guidelines - but just as importantly the Holy Spirit has fallen upon His church and inspires, guides, empowers and prompts the servant ministries that the risen Christ has given.  Word and Spirit are both needed to stave off disaster!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GVLkQyNW2EI/Tl516VyrvwI/AAAAAAAADpg/IiIfOtvJ0tg/s320/CJ%2BMahaney%2Bpic.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px; height: 133px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5647080627911769858" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The SGM family (especially those at Covenant Life Church) seem to be incredibly upset by the decision that C J Mahaney made to not continue attending CLC but instead go to his friend Mark Dever's church nearby in Washington.  Here's &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Video-Answering-your-questions.aspx#comment-299587071"&gt;a comment&lt;/a&gt; from the SGM blog from an CLC member;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Jeff&lt;/u&gt;:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;Andrew, CJ is a member of CLC, and part of the membership agreement states that you will regularly attend YOUR church. I can understand if you wanted to go to a Sunday night meeting at another church, but to leave the church you are a member of to attend another church full time is against the membership agreement. CJ is supposedly bound by the same agreement as the other members of the church. If not, please explain why. If the pastors agreed to him leaving CLC and attending another church then they should have asked for him to resign his membership at CLC. No partiality, no "unique circumstances". CJ is as accountable to Josh as I am. If he doesn't like the way Josh is handling the situation then he is free to leave and move his membership elsewhere, just as his sons have. I am really growing weary of the doublespeak coming out of SGM. Let CJ stand or fall on the system he has created over the last 30 plus years.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The "&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Video-Answering-your-questions.aspx#comment-299569349"&gt;unique situation&lt;/a&gt;" that SGM's Director of Comms refers to is the fact that C J has made this decision by himself (although with "support" from the SGM Board).  What is clear in the comments is the issue here is one of authority.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Namely - who covers C J?  He is not a pastor.  He is a member of CLC.  Therefore technically (as &lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/brentdetwilercom/2011/8/29/the-need-for-crisis-intervention-by-the-covenant-life-pastor.html"&gt;Brent Detweiler has consistently argued&lt;/a&gt;) C J is under the authority of the Covenant Life pastors.  However he does not seem to be acting as though he appreciates that authority and is responding to their guidance and advice.  Does the "President and Chairman" then have any form of accountability?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Who knows the right answer - and indeed who has the clout to make C J Mahaney do what they feel is best?  He doesn't seem to be a chap who responds well to correction and advice if he doesn't want to do it.  I do think the issue here is consistency and justice.  Namely;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If an ordinary member of an SGM church was in trouble of some sort (we all agree Mahaney is not under disciplinary action) then would they have the freedom to go to another non-SGM church for a bit if they felt like it?  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;All my SGM friends are very clear (and my experience matches this).  If you miss one Sunday you may get away with it but if you start missing regular Sundays then you will be called to account as to your whereabouts.  So if SGM members can't get away with this - then should C J?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-1441533362645752517?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/1441533362645752517/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=1441533362645752517&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/1441533362645752517'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/1441533362645752517'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/church-membership-any-exemptions.html' title='Church Membership: Any Exemptions?'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GVLkQyNW2EI/Tl516VyrvwI/AAAAAAAADpg/IiIfOtvJ0tg/s72-c/CJ%2BMahaney%2Bpic.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-4628892580582439360</id><published>2011-08-31T10:52:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-31T11:05:02.380+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Terry Virgo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Faith'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Baptism Holy Spirit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Heroes'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Newfrontiers'/><title type='text'>Heroes of Faith:  Interviews with Terry Virgo</title><content type='html'>I was so excited to see &lt;a href="http://www.terryvirgo.org/Articles/275860/Terry_Virgo/Resources/Media/Interviews_Heroes_of_Faith.aspx"&gt;these set of videos&lt;/a&gt; have been posted on &lt;a href="http://www.terryvirgo.org/"&gt;Terry Virgo's&lt;/a&gt; website.  He mentioned on his &lt;a href="http://www.twitter.com/TerryVirgo"&gt;Twitter account&lt;/a&gt; that he was being interviewed for this series - and here they are!  It was a bittersweet moment to be present at the last "&lt;a href="http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/together-on-mission-2011-day-3.html"&gt;Together on a Mission&lt;/a&gt;" in July.  One of the highlights of that conference was the opportunity to hear Terry - one of my ultimate living heroes of the faith - speak regularly.  I probably have not heard "now" words from God from any other preacher alive other than this great man.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So here are the videos;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/27285101?title=0&amp;amp;byline=0&amp;amp;portrait=0" width="400" height="230" frameborder="0"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/27285101"&gt;Revelation TV interview part 1&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/terryvirgo"&gt;Terry Virgo&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/"&gt;Vimeo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/27285684?title=0&amp;amp;byline=0&amp;amp;portrait=0" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/27285684"&gt;Revelation TV interview part 2&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/terryvirgo"&gt;Terry Virgo&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/"&gt;Vimeo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/27286297?title=0&amp;amp;byline=0&amp;amp;portrait=0" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/27286297"&gt;Revelation TV interview part 3&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/terryvirgo"&gt;Terry Virgo&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/"&gt;Vimeo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-4628892580582439360?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/4628892580582439360/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=4628892580582439360&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/4628892580582439360'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/4628892580582439360'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/heroes-of-faith-interviews-with-terry.html' title='Heroes of Faith:  Interviews with Terry Virgo'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-6421852180317735186</id><published>2011-08-29T10:08:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-29T10:43:19.115+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM Uncensored'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dave Harvey'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><title type='text'>Dave Harvey (Acting President of SGM) Responds to Questions</title><content type='html'>It's really great to see Dave Harvey addressing questions and concerns for the SGM family.  Here's the video;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Video-Answering-your-questions.aspx"&gt;Answering Your Questions&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Even if we don't agree with his approach or answers - credit must be given for the new approach in honesty and openness.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;Edited&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I had a good question since posting this from an Anonymous reader.  What don't I agree with?  &lt;a href="http://pentecostalpostitnotes.blogspot.com/2011/08/dave-harvey-on-apostles-today.html"&gt;Dave made a comment about apostles&lt;/a&gt; -&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"That is one reason why we have refrained from using the term "apostle" for those who serve as Sovereign Grace Ministries regional representatives to our churches - see, as &lt;u&gt;our understanding of polity has matured&lt;/u&gt;, we have become cautious of conveying any type of authority to SGM leaders that no one has today - an authority that is reserved for the first generation apostles. See - authority is never in a man, it's in the Word of God".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I think it's disappointing Harvey seems again to have adopted the pragmatic approach of tailoring theology to match experience.  They've become scared of potential abuses by using the term "apostles" so they have abandoned the term and the post.  By refusing to use the term - SGM deprive themselves of the benefit of true biblical apostles as say - Terry Virgo would define it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Authority may be in the Word of God - but surely the Word of God makes space for giving biblical authority to men?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-6421852180317735186?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/6421852180317735186/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=6421852180317735186&amp;isPopup=true' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6421852180317735186'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6421852180317735186'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/dave-harvey-acting-president-of-sgm.html' title='Dave Harvey (Acting President of SGM) Responds to Questions'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-5619650650714987040</id><published>2011-08-26T10:18:00.006+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-26T13:55:45.793+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM Uncensored'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Peter Greasley'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brent Detweiler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Acceptance grace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gospel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><title type='text'>The Report is out on SGM!</title><content type='html'>The long-awaited report from "Ambassadors of Reconciliation" is out for the &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/The-consultation-report-from-Ambassadors-of-Reconciliation.aspx"&gt;SGM Board of Directors&lt;/a&gt;.  For those who this saga only concerns C J Mahaney's return to public ministry - they will be disappointed.  The AoR have left this decision and delegated back to the SGM Board - Dave Harvey - the acting President - accepted this.  As I understand it, a panel of a few SGM pastors and one Board member will be called to deal with Mahaney.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OCIoqcsaDUo/TleXuqnScYI/AAAAAAAADpY/BwKtj3mGcxI/s320/photo%2B%252835%2529.JPG" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 240px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5645147485901058434" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I've read &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/file.axd?file=2011/8/aor-proposal.pdf"&gt;the report&lt;/a&gt; carefully and find it actually quite encouraging - for two reasons.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;One of the key problems with SGM for me has been their reluctance to "pursue reconciliation" with those many who have left or been kicked out of their ranks.  The attitude of SGM seems to be "if you've left us - it's your fault".  Here's the examples that come to my mind;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;1.  Larry Tomczak has spent a good part of a decade seeking reconciliation with C J.  It was C J who said; "Let's do it!".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2.  Brent himself has been reaching out to  C J - as I read it, there was no move on C J's part until the documents began coming.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;3.  The two families from Fairfax Church who suffered awful child abuse had no course but to resort to posting their stories on "SGM Survivors" - granted the church leaders had their "Family Meeting" expressing regret and reaching out recently.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;4.  My own story was only closed and reconciliation brought thanks to Steve W (my friend from SGM Survivors) moves via Pat Ennis and Bob Kauflin.  I had no contact from the UK SGM leaders until I personally emailed Pete Griesley (a now SGM Board member) on the back of Steve's mails.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;That is why I am encouraged that the AoR team advise;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;"Before engaging the help of other Christians ... we remind the SGM Board members of their biblical responsibilities to &lt;u&gt;INITIATE&lt;/u&gt; action for reconciliation ... It does not matter whether we believe we have been sinned against ... or if the other person has something against us - we are to make &lt;u&gt;EVERY&lt;/u&gt; effort to make peace.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;Note also our responsibility to go and be reconciled is not excused simply because another indicates he does not want to meet".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Interesting - after I wrote to the SGM Board after my "excommunication" detailing my horror at the way I had been treated, I was sent a short note by Dave Harvey devolving all responsibility to Peter Griesley.  Peter himself sent me a terse email noting they felt I was "wrong" but they would meet me "if I wished".  At the time I was not willing or able to meet any SGM leaders after I had experienced my first (and only I hope) excommunication and informed him so.  In Pat Ennis's opinion - that refusal to meet devolved them of all responsibility in my case.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I must note - Peter Griesley has since very graciously apologised for his email which I deeply appreciated.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But I am glad that AoR have noted this as a recommendation.  I really hope SGM act on it - I think gestures of reconciliation from the leaders would have healed many past splits far sooner.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;They go on regarding reconciliation - this is a &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;REALLY&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; good statement;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;"Scripture does not excuse us because we are fearful our words might be twisted.  Scripture does not excuse us if we think the other person may not listen.  Scripture does not excuse us if the other party has widely shared his complaints against us.  Scripture does not excuse us if the whole world has read about the complaints against us in public media ... &lt;u&gt;thus our first counsel to the Board of Directors is to make every effort to "go and be reconciled&lt;/u&gt;".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It's good - not just for SGM - but for any Christian who finds themselves split from other fellow Christians.  Now I suspect that the "anti-SGM"-ites will seize on "every effort" and be waiting for pounce for giving up in the case of Brent Detweiler.  The AoR report doesn't allow that;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;"Although we heard from the Board and observed in the documents&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/i&gt;(Brent's) &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;that C J has made numerous offers to meet with Brent that were not accepted, we were &lt;u&gt;not convinced&lt;/u&gt; that every effort to reconcile has been made by the Board".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Even once "every effort" has been exhausted - then the AoR report allows for calling in "others".  So - C J Mahaney ... is he or isn't he?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Essentially AoR won't make the decision for SGM (cop-out maybe - some may feel!).  But I can understand why they take this step.  SGM by-laws state that only Board members may remove a board member (which C J is both President and Chairman).  They do suggest a due process to consider this (which Dave Harvey states SGM will accept) which is;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;A blind draw to select some SGM pastors and one Board member to decide on C J's eligibility.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Haven't encountered that technique before!  But it seems a fair approach.  Brent and C J will both be permitted and invited to come and present their cases and steps taken from there.  It does seem a bit "one-sided" in terms of Brent appearing before an "SGM" panel - knowing the weight that C J holds over most of SGM.  But there will be an "independent facilitator" present (nominated by AoR) who will bring a degree of neutrality which I think is important.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;One final point which is &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;VERY&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; important;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"One disappointment for us was the lack of proclaiming God's grace to one another that seems apparent in this dispute".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I am glad this was stated.  I read Brent's documents a couple of times and to be honest was left with a rather sour taste in my mouth.  These sort of men - C J, Brent - are my heroes.  I sometimes day dream about what it would be like spending time with them - being able to email them and so on.  The email after email (with the cursory; "Hope you are enjoying God's grace") between the men involved seemed to me to question why we need the devil as an accuser - with all these accusations and counter-accusations.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"When confessions were made (whether orally or in writing) we observed no evidence of proclaiming God's forgiveness to the one who confessed.  The Scriptures teach otherwise".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;They cite 2 Samuel 12 where Nathan convicts but proclaims forgiveness, Psalm 32:5, Proverbs 28:13, Luke 7:48 (he who is forgiven much loves much) and 1 John 1:9.  There is an important discussion to be had (I think) about the "indwelling sin" emphasis but this surely is an essential element that AoR should bring.  If you are going to meet in accountability groups and the sorts of things SGM do - at the very least, proclaim forgiveness!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;It is done&lt;/u&gt;!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I really hope and pray this report brings healing, reconciliation to these dear people and they can learn, grow and get on with planting churches across this much needed desperately dry world.  Especially more in the UK!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-5619650650714987040?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/5619650650714987040/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=5619650650714987040&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/5619650650714987040'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/5619650650714987040'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/report-is-out-on-sgm.html' title='The Report is out on SGM!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OCIoqcsaDUo/TleXuqnScYI/AAAAAAAADpY/BwKtj3mGcxI/s72-c/photo%2B%252835%2529.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-3173937835784753675</id><published>2011-08-22T22:54:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-22T22:54:48.533+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christian Leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM Uncensored'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Authority'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brent Detweiler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Grace Church Bristol'/><title type='text'>The Buck Stops Here</title><content type='html'>A few SGM-related thoughts.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In the NHS the highest paid individuals are the Chief Executive, the Board and the consultants.  Why?  Because they have to carry the responsibility for the well-being of patients.  It's often said that the CEO is the one most likely to lose their job in the NHS.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6GNbQmeuyBc/TlLMKdsoh9I/AAAAAAAADpQ/xtbOUg8OtW4/s320/HarryS3.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px; height: 191px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5643797763191244754" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So I don't have a great amount of pity for C J Mahaney.  I suspect he is the highest-paid individual in SGM (and that pay hasn't stopped during his 'leave of absence' - unlike Brent Detweiler who faced bankruptcy when his SGM-Board salary was stopped abruptly).  He has massive royalties I am sure from his books - including of course, the tome teaching on "Humility" - irony.  He is/was the President and he is responsible for the salary he takes.  Don't like the heat C J?  Take that youth pastor job you kept saying you wanted so badly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The pity and heartache I have is for in particular &lt;a href="http://www.covlife.org/blog/a_transcripted_excerpt_of_the_august_17_members_meeting"&gt;Josh Harris&lt;/a&gt; but also for the people in SGM.  The pressure that Josh Harris must have been under when this blew - and still is - as the man trained up by C J (and reportedly tipped as C J's successor for head of SGM when he retires at 60 - I wonder if that's still the case).  Josh took a very bold stance many people felt - honestly admitting his sermon after this on "&lt;a href="http://www.covlife.org/resources/3931544-The_Fathers_Discipline"&gt;The Father's Discipline&lt;/a&gt;" - stating that God was "spanking SGM".  Huge amounts of people in SGM feel he's right - aside from the SGM Board and C J himself clearly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So in a &lt;a href="http://www.covlife.org/blog/a_transcripted_excerpt_of_the_august_17_members_meeting"&gt;transcript I was sent from the last Covenant Life Members Meeting&lt;/a&gt; I was staggered - to say the least - to read that the reason that C J is going to his friend Mark Dever's church during this leave, is because of the statements that Josh made apparently putting C J in a difficult position.  Poor C J!  And even better - C J gets to have an "independent mediator" when this is all over - to patch things up with Josh and the CLC pastors who have so upset him.  What?!  Did the vast amounts of people (myself included) who got kicked out of our SGM churches get to go to the churches of our friends while we were being excommunicated?  Did we get paid-for mediators to patch things up?  No!  We had to take the first step ourselves and go and meet these pastors to achieve the reconciliation we felt God wanted of us.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I must be honest.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/cj-mahaney/post/2011/08/12/A-Personal-Update.aspx"&gt;C J seems to me to be angry and upset&lt;/a&gt; that he has been confronted by the monster authoritarian system he has created.  Even his fans (Al Mohler, Ligon Duncan et al) admit there are "issues" in SGM polity - which Josh Harris is seeking bravely to address.  C J admits honestly he is "proud" but yet seems to stop short of the issues that it has caused.  The heartache and pain for his church.  As I understand it - he is still a member of Covenant Life Church and thus under the elders (including Harris).  However the increasing number of members of CLC commenting on the various blogs make it clear -  CJ isn't regularly seen at CLC and doesn't participate in church life.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I think we must be honest - and leave aside the discussions of Matthew 18, Brent Detweiler and the documents.  Because it is a grey area. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The key issue here for me is the hurting people in SGM looking to their leaders for care.  The Board seem ridiculously desperate to protect and validate C J as soon as they can manage without public outrage.  The so-called "independent panel" hired and paid seem made up of C J fans.  The question has got to be - where is the glory to God in this?  What does the world think?More importantly what does God think?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;C J - you can't cope with the expectation and pressure?  Get out of the firing line.  Retire.  Resign.  Give it to Josh Harris who can admit he's got it wrong and is trying.  I think anyone can accept honesty and transparency.  What we don't like and don't tolerate is someone who takes a fat salary and should take responsibility whining "&lt;a href="http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=2670"&gt;like a teenager&lt;/a&gt;" (Dave Harvey's term for CJ).  It's like my consultant surgeon blaming me for mucking up my treatment and care.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;As Harry Truman said - "The buck stops here!".  Claim leadership of a denomination?  You must take the fall when it goes wrong.  You don't get "free passes" in the real world!  Bad luck C J - you wanted to be head boss?  You got it!  And the answer isn't to be found by hiding in the church of your mate.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-3173937835784753675?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/3173937835784753675/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=3173937835784753675&amp;isPopup=true' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/3173937835784753675'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/3173937835784753675'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/buck-stops-here.html' title='The Buck Stops Here'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6GNbQmeuyBc/TlLMKdsoh9I/AAAAAAAADpQ/xtbOUg8OtW4/s72-c/HarryS3.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-2983983986090624257</id><published>2011-08-19T20:30:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-20T11:59:02.669+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Worship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prayer'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Calvinism'/><title type='text'>Blessed Be Your Name!</title><content type='html'>I was going to write a blog tonight on the on-going SGM saga and my thoughts about the dear people within and the effects on them.  But while I was running on the treadmill at the gym, Matt Redman's wonderful; "&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-nV5UTh7zI"&gt;Blessed be Your Name&lt;/a&gt;" came on my iPod.  It made me cry (always humiliating when surrounded by people working out!).&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But this thoughts came to my mind.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;One of the hardest things I have been struggling with recently has been the absence of the manifest Presence of God.  When you love and enjoy ministries such as Terry Virgo or Rob Rufus especially who share such faith-building stories, it can grate at times when one's personal experience cannot match up to the accounts of servants of God such as these.  It strikes me in this situation that there are two options;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;1.  Adjust your theology to match your experience (as per heroes of mine such as Dr Stanley Jebb and C J Mahaney have done).  Speaking of which, Andrew Haslam (Greg Haslam's son) tweeted an excellent quote;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"The great irony of cessationism is that, in an effort to defend the Bible, one is actually teaching an unbiblical idea".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2.  You carry on walking in faith hoping for more!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I must confess I have allowed the absence of God's wonderful manifest Presence (aside from touches such as at "Together on a Mission 2011" in Brighton) to first spur me, then hurt me, then wound me, and gradually make me almost wonder if we are in an &lt;a href="http://bible.cc/ezekiel/8-12.htm"&gt;Ezekiel 8:12&lt;/a&gt; position.  It would be easier to adjust theology to meet my (desired) lack of experience - I could join the ranks of "restless reformed Calvinists" conference hopping.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But Matt's song does not allow such a change of theology;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Blessed be Your name&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;On the road marked with suffering&lt;br /&gt;Though there's pain in the offering&lt;br /&gt;Blessed be Your name".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Ironically here's the Brownsville Revival singing it;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;iframe width="420" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/B-nV5UTh7zI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So I asked myself (while sweating and in pain on the treadmill) - does the absence of His manifest Presence get included here?  It's got to hasn't it.  "My heart will &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;CHOOSE&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; to say".  I would rather keep on believing in the God I read of in the Bible.  The God who it is said of; "the more glorious covenant".  Reading the Bible speaks volumes of an interventionist God who loves to encounter His people!  Some of my favourite quotes on this;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"The essence of the Christian position is experience - experience of God! It is not a mere intellectual awareness or apprehension of truth. That can be of the devil ... If the experience is not an experience of the living God through His Son who has come to live and to die again in order to give it; if it is not through the Holy Spirit, it is not a true Christian experience"&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; - &lt;a href="http://pentecostalpostitnotes.blogspot.com/2010/01/dr-martyn-lloyd-jones-on-christian.html"&gt;Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;"Yet the great need of the hour is for thousands of men and women in this generation to encounter God in the way that Isaiah did and be overwhelmed with God's glory as a result. Only this will result in the kind of Church we all long to see and only this will produce the kind of joy, lasting happiness and peace that the world so craves but is never able to manufacture. Real joy - the God kind - doesn't come in a bottle, can't be swallowed in pill form, can't be injected and won't be found in any thrill-seeking endeavor anywhere in the world. Pure joy is only found in the Presence of God". &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href="http://pentecostalpostitnotes.blogspot.com/2009/01/greg-haslam-on-his-presence-joy.html"&gt;Greg Haslam&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My concern is that we must not use the sovereignty of God and His right to manifest Himself when He so pleases to excuse our pleading and "knocking on Heaven's door" (or banging on heaven's door in some cases).  It was interesting the next song on my iPod was this;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;iframe width="420" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/MqDoBsKRb3c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-2983983986090624257?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/2983983986090624257/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=2983983986090624257&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2983983986090624257'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2983983986090624257'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/blessed-be-your-name.html' title='Blessed Be Your Name!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/B-nV5UTh7zI/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-7307375963469060496</id><published>2011-08-17T15:45:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-17T15:56:58.756+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Charismatic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Charismatic Resurgence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cessationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Spiritual Gifts'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesse Phillips'/><title type='text'>Jesse Phillips on Experiencing God</title><content type='html'>I wonder if any readers remember Jesse Phillips - one of the wonderful pastors at &lt;a href="http://www.metrolife.org/lt.html"&gt;Metro Life Church&lt;/a&gt; in Florida.  It's a church on my hit list to definitely visit one day when money permits not least to finally meet Jesse and Janelle!  But Jesse used to run a brilliant blog I loved called; "Prophetically Speaking".  Due to demands on his time he had to sadly discontinue it.  But I was sorting out my computer files today and found a Word file I am so glad I kept.  When I knew that he was going to stop the blog, I saved all his blog posts for just such an occasion.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0ujXeAFj7wo/TkvWlSc_NnI/AAAAAAAADpI/D1-hWUYwaTk/s320/bald-eagle-soaring_870.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 215px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5641838894308603506" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I was refreshed by reading this again and re-challenged!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here's some of what he wrote.  We need sensible charismatics who can argue from Scripture when you have cessationists such as &lt;a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/08/should-type-r-charismatics-get-free.html"&gt;Phil Johnson attacking charismatic doctrine&lt;/a&gt; (and not arguing from Scripture but experience I might add);&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Cessationists can be driven by experience&lt;/u&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;What if I told you, "We need to go start a revival"? Or, "We need to experience more of God's power and have some amazing encounters with the Holy Ghost"? Or, "What the church really needs is an outpouring of the Holy Spirit and spiritual gifts"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How would you respond? You'd probably be concerned that I was turning into some kind of wild revivalist. You would think back to your own experience of how people abused the gifts and would be concerned that I was headed in the same direction.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You may say something like, "I know where that goes and we don't want to go there again." There is certainly much wisdom to be gained from experience. It does not make sense to keep repeating the same mistakes again and again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is, however, a universal human tendency to overreact to abuse and misdiagnose the problem. Whenever someone is shot and killed on the street, all of us face the temptation to ask how the criminal came into possession of a gun before asking why hatred filled his heart. Guns can be misused, but they are not the fundamental problem. The fundamental problem is in the person doing the abusing not the thing that is abused.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As good as wisdom from experience is, it also has limitations. It can lead to these misdiagnoses of problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And so, if you were to tell me, "I know where that goes" I would venture to ask, "Even though that's where it led last time, is it possible that it might not lead to the same place this time?" What if we were able to pursue the same things, yet learning from the abuses, be able to enjoy them in a way that is proper this time around?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a fine line between gaining wisdom from experience and investing authority in experience.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the reasons why people warn against things like revivalism and hot pursuit of the spiritual gifts is because some revivalists are emotionalists, placing authority in experience rather than scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;But here's my argument: it's just as easy for people who have had bad experiences to be driven by those experiences, rather than scripture. People who move away from the 'experiential' can, ironically, be just as driven by experience, either their own or others that they want at all costs to avoid. This is simply a different form of experientialism.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many cessationists and others who have seen the abuses of the spiritual gifts would rather 'not go there' because of bad experiences. They invest authority in percieved bad experiencs and this motivates them toward avoidance, allowing their experiences to unduly influence their opinions on what is true and right.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is there really a difference between being driven by bad experiences and idolizing good ones? Aren't both things different sides of the coin of experientialism?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that cessationists can be experientialists in as much as they think, "This can't be God's will, look at all this abuse." It's one thing to defend your view from scripture (which many cessationists, to their credit, try to do), and quite another to base it on your experience, good or bad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;I think that many cessationists and 'functional cessationists' are somewhat experiential, perhaps a bit more influenced by bad experiences, or the potential of, or the report of, than they they might be aware.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The person who has had a bad experience, and doesn't want any more bad experiences is just as driven by experience as the person who strongly wants a positive experience. The only differences that one is driven positively and the other driven negatively.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We must recognize the differences between abusing the gifts and the gifts themselves. We must also recognize the limitations of the wisdom that comes through experience. Finally, all of us, cessationists, charismatics and everyone in between, must learn to pursue experiences without investing them with authority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;There's one thing we can all be certain of: we'll never fully experience anything that we pursue only cautiously, God or his gifts.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-7307375963469060496?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/7307375963469060496/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=7307375963469060496&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/7307375963469060496'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/7307375963469060496'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/jesse-phillips-on-experiencing-god.html' title='Jesse Phillips on Experiencing God'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0ujXeAFj7wo/TkvWlSc_NnI/AAAAAAAADpI/D1-hWUYwaTk/s72-c/bald-eagle-soaring_870.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-6173644757999416270</id><published>2011-08-14T19:13:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-14T20:28:38.051+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lost'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evangelism'/><title type='text'>The Groanings of Creation?</title><content type='html'>Most of us in the United Kingdom (and friends from across the world) have been following the news over this past week with horror - watching the riots that have taken place in our nation's capital of London, my own home city of Birmingham and other cities.  The police have been stretched to the hilt trying to contain and control the violence as well as bringing the criminals to justice.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I had some quite frightening personal experience of the riots on Monday and Tuesday night.  I was due to be working night shifts on intensive care and was asked to help out with the hospital's Major Incident Control team.  We were informed by the police that there was some talk on Twitter that the looters were planning to "hit the hospital" as it stands opposite the city's police station.  So we had to put the hospital onto lockdown (literally locking all doors) and watch and wait as a couple of hundred youths milled around the hospital wrecking things.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Many of the nation's population are of the fervent opinion these are mindless criminals and deserve to behind bars.  Maybe that is true - and something for the courts and the judges to decide.  But watching the news, I felt a slightly different view;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now ... For all creation is waiting eagerly for that future day when God will reveal who his children really are" - (&lt;a href="http://bible.cc/romans/8-19.htm"&gt;Romans 8:19&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;While watching on TV - and actually looking into the faces of these hooded young people - I felt nothing but sympathy and empathy with them.  They are angry!  They are frustrated!  They are bored!  Do they need a water cannon to beat them back (as some bloggers have suggested)?  Do they need a jail sentence to further cement their anger against society?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Or is there an alternative?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/MP-td3C55Yc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;To my mind and un-trained theological understanding - this verse in Romans speaks directly to the situation we are facing today here in the United Kingdom.  I saw groaning and suffering in the face of these looters.  If they had a preferable future to work towards, they would not be willing to throw their lives and futures away for the sake of a few iPods and laptops and trainers.  They would have hope!  Not in a human government but a glorious God who is out-lived and out-worked in a glorious Church.  The manifest sons of God - walking in the manifest Presence of a heavenly Father who loves them.  A church who regularly demonstrates the outbreaking of heaving in a time-space world through signs and wonders and miracles - healing the sick, mending the broken-hearted, reaching the poor.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The world has been waiting and it is getting tired of waiting.  It sees a church that gets involved in petty squabbles.  In authoritarian leaders who feel it is okay to abuse their followers.  In hypocrisy.  In sexual and financial misdemenours.  In pride and arrogance.  The world is tired of waiting and it is getting impatient!  And this impatience (I think) is expressing itself through violence.  British justice will lock these youths up if they find them.  But will that solve the issue?  Locking them away for a few months/years?  They will have spent that time with fellow criminals and will emerge back into society possibly more angry and more resentful than ever before.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My heart aches for the unveiling of the sons of God.  That finally these youths would see a church not to be ashamed of but to be proud of, intrigued by, broken by.  One of my favourite pasttimes is to visit Soul Survivor (a youth conference in Somerset that I went to twice in my youth) and I think is doing a great work.  It never fails to move me to tears to see the leadership issue a call to salvation and see hundreds of young people come forward in response!  Surely we should be seeing that but more - time after time - city after city across the nation!  Am I excusing their sin and misdeeds?  No - but I &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;AM&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; stating all this was covered at the Cross of Christ and it is time the church demonstrated the glorious freedom of that.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-6173644757999416270?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/6173644757999416270/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=6173644757999416270&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6173644757999416270'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6173644757999416270'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/groanings-of-creation.html' title='The Groanings of Creation?'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/MP-td3C55Yc/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-5708717000878042674</id><published>2011-08-10T06:10:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-10T06:19:52.663+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Covenant Life Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joshua Harris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><title type='text'>More "Constant Change" from SGM</title><content type='html'>I was saddened although not surprised to read an email from a friend of mine who attends Covenant Life Church.  Apparently last night they received an email from the elders announcing that two of their pastors (Brian Chesemore and Mike Bradshaw) are resigning as pastors and leaving the church - both men happen to also be C J Mahaney's sons-in-law.  I thought the Mahaney situation would make life difficult for them - but they cite their unhappiness with the way that Josh Harris has taken a stance on seeing God as "spanking SGM" through this period.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It is sad - I am sure these pastors were loved and appreciated, and ANY form of schism in God's church is never glorifying to Him.  I hope God really heals and continues to bless CLC as I do really believe Josh Harris is the most response leader in SGM through the current events, genuinely prepared to put God first before men he greatly admires.  I think it does demonstrate the difficulty of having family relations in church leadership also (not impossibility - just difficult) - it is never going to be possible to take objective stances when considering things like the charges levelled against Mahaney.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dear Members of Covenant Life,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We (the pastors of Covenant Life) are writing you with heavy hearts. What follows are two separate letters—one from Brian Chesemore and one from Mike Bradshaw—announcing their decision to resign as pastors and withdraw their membership in our church.&lt;br /&gt;We deeply love and respect both of these men, and this has been a difficult challenge. They are both Christ-exalting ministers of the gospel—hard-working and faithful—and we consider this a loss for our staff and for our church. More than that they are dear friends.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Both Mike and Brian informed us of their decision in letters a few weeks ago. Because of vacation schedules, we weren’t able to meet until last week. We hoped that we might convince them to change their minds. We spent two full days discussing extensively our differing points of view, talking together, asking questions, listening carefully to one another, and reviewing our disagreements (Proverbs 19:20). By God’s grace our discussions were marked by mutual love and affection that was peaceable, gentle and open to reason (James 3:17). We sought to soberly consider their concerns and learn from them. We also shared where we’ve recognized that we could have better led in the past month and voiced a desire to continue to examine ourselves.&lt;br /&gt;As we discussed our points of disagreement, we shared with Mike and Brian that we didn’t believe that these issues warranted separation. We want a diversity of perspectives on our team. We asked them to reconsider the decision to resign. While we sincerely love these men and want to support them personally, we also expressed our disagreement with their decision to leave. We did not want them to leave at this time or in this way. We urged them—many times through tears—to stay and press through this difficult season in light of our shared gospel priorities and unity (Colossians 3:13).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mike and Brian repeatedly communicated their appreciation for our counsel and concerns. We believe they truly listened to our perspective, but sadly we were not able to persuade them to stay.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mike and Brian requested that they be able to write open letters to the congregation, and we wanted you to have the chance to hear their perspective. At the same time it is important for you to know that your pastors disagree with a number of issues raised in their letters. We have a different perspective on their assessment of the past few years and our relationship and view of Sovereign Grace. And we differ over how they characterize our leadership of the church since Brent’s documents were released. Most importantly, we don’t think that these issues rise to a level that necessitates a separation. That being said we know they are men of godly conviction and are acting in accordance with their consciences. We also recognize that in light of the unique family dynamics created by this situation, they’re seeking to do what they think is best for their families.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;We want you to know that we’re glad to discuss any of these issues more fully with you. Please bring us your questions. Whether you agree or disagree with Brian and Mike, we welcome your thoughts and concerns. Ultimately, we believe the gospel is bigger than any of these issues and that we can walk in unity as we wrestle through them together (Ephesians 4:1-6).&lt;br /&gt;As you know, through this trying time we’ve made some course corrections in our leadership. Though we’re imperfect and weak, we believe we are leading according to God’s Word and doing our best to be faithful pastors to you. We also recognize that we could be wrong in different areas and not realize it. Our commitment to you is that if in the future God shows us we’re wrong through his Word, your correction, or through the counsel of others, we will seek to humble ourselves, admit that to you, and make appropriate changes to how we are leading. Please pray that we would be both courageous as we lead but also humble and quick to admit our faults.&lt;br /&gt;A word for parents. If your children have sat under Mike Bradshaw’s skillful leadership, the news that the beloved “Mr. B” will no longer be a pastor will no doubt be very difficult information for them to hear. Mike has made an incredible investment in their lives through his teaching on Sundays and at Summer Celebration. We’d encourage you to be thoughtful and prayerful in how you share this news with them. Set aside time for an unhurried conversation. Give them time to ask questions. Give them time to grieve. With our own children we’ve sought to share that sometimes Christians who love Jesus have different opinions. (Sharing the story of Paul and Barnabas in Acts 15 might be a good introduction to the subject.) Tell them that what is most important is that we love Mr. B, and that Mr. B loves them, and we all love and want to serve Jesus.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mike and Brian (along with their dear wives and children) are brothers and sisters in Christ. Let’s remember that this isn’t changing. The gospel of Jesus Christ has brought us into relationship together, not our agreement on secondary issues. In light of Christ’s love we want to exhort you to continue to love Mike and Brian and their families. Don’t remove your love and affection toward them in any way. In situations like this where there is real disagreement or a change in relationship, we must still be guided by gospel priorities in light of Christ’s reconciling, atoning work on our behalf. We believe Colossians 3:12-15 is an appropriate place to direct our attention in this time:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony. And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body. And be thankful.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not the first time Christians have agreed to disagree. And it won’t be the last. We thank God we agree on what matters most—the gospel of Jesus Christ. We love and respect these men and can commend their ministries to others. We pray that God will bless them in ministry and shower his grace on their lives. And we will always count them our friends and dear brothers. That will never change for us.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We will be holding a Members Meeting this Saturday, August 13, from 6-8 p.m. in the Auditorium. We would hold this sooner, but the WorshipGod conference this week (and a wedding on Sunday) make Saturday the only day that works. We hope you can join us.&lt;br /&gt;Let’s continue to trust the Lord together. He is with us. “In God we make our boast all day long, and we will praise your name forever” (Psalm 44:8).&lt;br /&gt;For the Glory of Jesus,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Adam Malcolm&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Ben Wikner&lt;br /&gt;Braden Greer&lt;br /&gt;Corby Megorden&lt;br /&gt;Dave Brewer&lt;br /&gt;Don Devries&lt;br /&gt;Erik Sheffer&lt;br /&gt;Grant Layman&lt;br /&gt;Greg Somerville&lt;br /&gt;Isaac Hydoski&lt;br /&gt;Jamie Leach&lt;br /&gt;Joe Lee&lt;br /&gt;Jon Smith&lt;br /&gt;Joshua Harris&lt;br /&gt;Kenneth Maresco&lt;br /&gt;Kevin Rogers&lt;br /&gt;Mark Mitchell&lt;br /&gt;Matt Maka&lt;br /&gt;Robin Boisvert&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A Letter From Mike Bradshaw&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dear Covenant Life Church Family,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It is with profound sadness that I write to inform you that I have resigned from my role as one of your pastors. Among the greatest joys and highest honors of my life has been to serve you and your children these past eight years (Philippians 1:3-5). I deeply love you and the pastoral team. So it is with a heavy heart, but a sincere desire to serve and care for each one of you and my family, and most of all to honor God, that I make this decision. Please know that this is not an emotional response or impulsive reaction but a careful conclusion I’ve come to through much prayer, deliberation and counsel.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My reason is simple: I can no longer, in good conscience, support the leadership of the pastoral team on key issues, in particular how they have led our church in addressing the accusations brought against C.J. Mahaney and Sovereign Grace Ministries.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I first received Brent Detwiler’s documents the afternoon of June 17th 2011, along with the entire pastoral team. Subsequently, we spent many hours discussing the accusations and seeking wisdom from above in order to best serve our church and the people involved (James 3:17). We were all saddened by these accusations. Josh Harris graciously took time to hear from each pastor, giving us the opportunity to voice questions and our varying perspectives during this most critical time. On multiple occasions I was able to express my perspective. I believed my voice, along with others, would be represented and honored at the member’s meetings. However, on the evening of July 10th it became clear that the questions I raised and perspective I brought had little impact on the direction Josh was taking in addressing these matters. When my subsequent appeals were ineffective in altering the course of the following members’ meetings, it became only more evident that I could not support the leadership of the pastoral team on these critical issues and therefore, must resign.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My primary reasons for resigning are as follows:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The failure to biblically process accusations brought against an elder at our July 10th Member’s Meeting, and subsequent meetings, as laid out in Scripture (1 Timothy 5:19-21, Proverbs 18:17, Deuteronomy 19:15-20, Proverbs 18:13, Proverbs 11:13).&lt;br /&gt;The encouragement to read Brent’s documents and the blogs void of guidance and evaluation from the Scriptures; Josh’s specific encouragement for heads of households to read Brent’s documents to examine their desire to be a part of Covenant Life Church and Sovereign Grace Ministries – a statement that brought creditability to these slanderous documents (1 Peter 2:1, Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 11:13, Proverbs 17:9, Proverbs 10:18, Exodus 20:16, Psalm 50:19-21, Ephesians 4:29-32).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I’m grateful that three weeks after making these statements Josh expressed his regret for not leading us to God’s Word in addressing these matters. However, much damage had already been done.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The failure to publicly and specifically confront gossip and slander among our congregation in a timely manner (2 Timothy 2:14-17, 1 Peter 5:2-3, Ephesians 4:30-31, Proverbs 6:16-19, Acts 20:29-31, Ephesians 4:1-6, 2 Timothy 2:24-26, James 3:1-13).&lt;br /&gt;The misrepresentation of C.J. Mahaney’s character and growth in sanctification at the Members’ Meetings (2 Timothy 4:14-16, Matthew 12:36, James 3:1-13, Psalm 130:3-4, Philippians 3:12-17).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The concern that Josh’s statements regarding Sovereign Grace Ministries were imbalanced, unnecessarily critical, and illegitimately applied to all of Sovereign Grace. Additionally, there has been the absence of appropriate appreciation for the vast fruitfulness of this ministry and our thirty-year partnership in gospel-advancing work both here and abroad (Philippians 1:3-5, Philippians 4:15).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do not question the motives of your pastors. I believe they truly want God’s best for Covenant Life Church and Sovereign Grace Ministries. They are men I respect and deeply love and am personally indebted to. They are my closest friends! However, I believe they have made serious errors at this most critical time that have led to significant consequences for our church. I am also concerned by the trajectory that these decisions, and the perspectives behind them, point to for our church. It is these factors that compel me to such decisive action.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I too want God’s best for Covenant Life Church and Sovereign Grace Ministries. I believe I can make no greater statement of my love for you than by making this painful decision.&lt;br /&gt;As I have for the last eighteen years, you have my enduring commitment to pray for you and your pastors.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“And this is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, so that you may approve what is excellent, and so be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.” Philippians 1:9-11&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With love and affection,&lt;br /&gt;Michael Bradshaw (Mr. B)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A Letter from Brian Chesemore&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dear Pastors and Members of Covenant Life Church,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I love Covenant Life Church deeply and it broke my heart to recently arrive at the settled place where I believe it is necessary to write this letter of resignation. My hope is that what follows adequately explains the reasons for my transition from the pastoral team I have loved, served, and respected over these last eight years. Coming as this does in the midst of this challenging season, I realize that my decision may well seem sudden and surprising to some, and for that I am very sorry. This is not a decision I have come to quickly and lightly. I have sought to persevere through my concerns, “bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace” (Eph. 4:2-3). With this gospel-exhortation before me, I have made my decision prayerfully and soberly over the last year.&lt;br /&gt;My reasons for resigning are twofold.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, I have observed over the last two years an undeniably diminishing enthusiasm amongst members of our pastoral team for the partnership we share with Sovereign Grace Ministries.&lt;br /&gt;Since 1991, I have had the privilege of attending and serving in three SGM churches. I am passionate about our family of churches and the doctrine, relationships, values, and mission that we share. Although we are in a difficult season as a relatively young movement, I believe God is continuing to guide and grow us in our gospel-mission. We may be hearing a tremendous amount of criticism right now, but because of grace there is a far greater display of gospel-fruitfulness in the churches of our movement.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I returned to Covenant Life in 2003 after a church plant in part because of this church’s strategic partnership with Sovereign Grace Ministries. But for the last two years I have had growing questions and concerns regarding our relationship with Sovereign Grace Ministries which I’ve expressed to Josh, the board of elders, and various members of our pastoral team.&lt;br /&gt;Many discussions have led me to believe that the majority of our pastoral team seems to think there is little to learn from Sovereign Grace. Under our board’s leadership, we have spent far more time criticizing in matters of polity and mission than building up and partnering with SGM even though SGM has been in the laborious process of leading us in polity refinements for almost two years (Eph. 4:29; Neh. 4:1-20). And our trajectory has been a steady move away from Sovereign Grace, which deeply disappoints me. I’m not suggesting that Covenant Life won’t remain a SGM church. I pray and have a strong hope that it will. But I believe our church has minimized and neglected the privilege of our long-standing partnership with our friends in Sovereign Grace.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would disagree with this direction and believe our partnership has been historically beneficial and should still be vital. We have the uncommon gift of a “partnership in the gospel from the first day until now” (Phil. 1:5). We don’t exist in this partnership solely to reform it. It is meant to be mutually beneficial, and I believe we impoverish ourselves when we neglect or minimize the wisdom, experience, and relationships that reside in Sovereign Grace. To go further, I believe Covenant Life’s recent history reveals that we need more help from Sovereign Grace, not less.&lt;br /&gt;I shared my concerns and perspective with the board numerous times and I believe they have faithfully listened. But these conversations did not produce the results I prayed for. Not wanting to react quickly, I chose to persevere in both prayer and appeals for greater appreciation and partnership with the Leadership Team and churches of SGM. However, my efforts failed to bring encouraging changes in this direction.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For twenty years I have had a passion to serve Sovereign Grace, our weaknesses not withstanding, but I don’t believe I can sufficiently fulfill that desire here at Covenant Life. My decision to resign is rooted in this reality.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had hoped and planned for a transition much farther down the road, and in a manner that would cause the least amount of pain to people I love and would prefer to spend the rest of my life pastoring. However, the pastoral meetings and recent members’ meetings related to Brent Detwiler’s accusations have expedited this decision for me.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which brings me to the second reason for my resignation: the failure of the pastoral team to lead in a biblical manner by providing a Scriptural framework through which to view Brent’s documents and the events that followed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On July 10, 2011, Josh led our church into a season of publicly interpreting Brent’s documents and what he believed to be God’s perspective in these times. No doubt, the writing and release of these documents required a massive call for discerning and courageous leadership. While I believe Josh has only the best of motives, and wanted only to walk in truth and transparency, I think he failed to provide the essential biblical categories for interpreting these accusations and in so doing neglected his primary pastoral duty as a shepherd (2 Ti. 3:14-4:4). The alternatives to clear scriptural guidance have serious consequences. I believe the pastors neglected to biblically define Brent’s documents as accusations against an elder and as slanderous (1 Ti. 5:19-21). Instead, Josh expressed sympathy for the documents and encouraged heads of households to read Brent’s accusations to see if they would want to be a part of Covenant Life Church and Sovereign Grace Ministries.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I could not in good conscience exhort heads of households to read Brent’s documents and I am grateful that Josh later expressed regret for this recommendation. While the documents contain some truth about the sins which C.J. Mahaney has confessed, they also contain large amounts of sinful judgment, claiming even to understand C.J.’s motives (Matt. 7:1-5). They are unreasonable and entirely one-sided (James 3:17; Prv. 18:13, 17). And they should not have been considered without adequate due process in which C.J.’s side was heard. I appealed to this end, and the men heard my appeal, but did not agree.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our team’s failure to demonstrate adequate impartiality and to bring clear and specific biblical guidelines gave credibility to Brent’s accusations and this has resulted in speculation, gossip, and even slander of C.J.’s character. For over thirty years C.J. has labored to serve faithfully as a pastor. He’s not perfect because he’s not Jesus. But he is a man who has walked with integrity and remains qualified as a minister of the gospel unless clearly shown otherwise through a biblically just process.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because this didn’t happen, the pastors of our church failed to lead at a critical time. I believe this has had a detrimental effect on our local church, and that our example has had a detrimental effect on churches beyond Covenant Life. I love these men dearly, but for the sake of the gospel, I cannot continue to serve where I have a growing concern about our direction and our adherence to God’s Word when leaders receive accusation. I don’t want to feign unity. From my perspective these are matters that are closely tied to the work of the gospel. And though I love Covenant Life, I believe I’ve arrived at a Paul and Barnabas moment (Acts 15:36-41). I pray that our separation produces the fruit that these two men experienced in their latter years of ministry.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I understand that this letter presents my perspective and may not represent the view of other men on the pastoral team. But with sadness I must submit my resignation.&lt;br /&gt;The pastors and members of Covenant Life will be the daily object of my prayers and gratefulness. I love my fellow pastors and I am indebted to them in more ways than I can name. And the privilege of caring for the dear members of Covenant Life has simply been, and will remain, one of the greatest privileges of my life.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brian Chesemore&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-5708717000878042674?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/5708717000878042674/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=5708717000878042674&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/5708717000878042674'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/5708717000878042674'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/more-constant-change-from-sgm.html' title='More &quot;Constant Change&quot; from SGM'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-1314397801071080331</id><published>2011-08-06T12:31:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-06T12:44:25.278+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christian Leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Charismatic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dave Harvey'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church History'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><title type='text'>Qualified for the Ministry?</title><content type='html'>Over the last couple of days a number of various blogs have raised the whole issue of what qualifies or disqualifies a minister of the Gospel - and it's been useful to consider the whole issue.  I guess in a way this is a "blog-spot";&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;1.  &lt;a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/08/should-type-r-charismatics-get-free.html"&gt;Phil Johnson of the "Pyromaniacs" has written a devastating critique of the danger of charismatic theology&lt;/a&gt;.  His rationale (or lack of) is not Scripture but anecdotes on Paul Cain and his moral fall.  According to Johnson - Cain's moral fall disqualifies not only Cain as a prophet but indeed charismatic theology.  I am writing a response to Phil Johnson because I think this requires a longer answer.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2.  &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Takeaways-from-our-preliminary-panele28099s-evaluation.aspx"&gt;Dave Harvey of SGM has blogged again&lt;/a&gt; reflecting on the independent panel assessment declaring C J Mahaney fit for ministry.  The whole question seems to be whether C J was right to step down before declared fit or unfit - and the question as to whether the sins of pride, arrogance, legalism, blackmail and so on disqualify him - the panel think not.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;3.  &lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/brentdetwilercom/2011/8/5/why-i-am-taking-a-leave-of-absence-cj-mahaney.html"&gt;Brent Detweiler has blogged a good post&lt;/a&gt; considering the SGM situation from his point of view.  He rightly and acutely points out that we are not quite sure what C J has really confessed to - so how can we know whether that disqualifies him or not?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It is an important question.  Dave Harvey uses the words; "public scandal" - and seems to think that the involvement of a public scandal would be the deciding factor.  So therefore from Harvey's logic - we could assume that sexual or moral and financial failure (money, sex) would be the contributing factor.  But what occurs to me is where they get this justification from.  Scripture?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I've been discussing this issue with Pete Day and he noted some other well-known leaders and some of their sins of humanity.  He said a good point regarding Johnson and Harvey's "logic";&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;Would he say that the whole of Martin Luther's ministry should be invalidated because of his hatred of Jews?  Or indeed the whole reformation????&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Would he say that Calvin's ministry should be invalidated because of his alleged consent to the burning of heretics??  Or indeed the whole of Calvinism????&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Would he say that Paul's ministry should be invalidated because of his bust up with Barnabas???? Or indeed all of his epistles????&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-1314397801071080331?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/1314397801071080331/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=1314397801071080331&amp;isPopup=true' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/1314397801071080331'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/1314397801071080331'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/qualified-for-ministry.html' title='Qualified for the Ministry?'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-3061776957354954028</id><published>2011-08-05T11:08:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-05T15:03:49.265+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Faith'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vision'/><title type='text'>Keep on Believing!?</title><content type='html'>I had a strange experience last night.  I had an excellent first day at work at my new job on the Intensive Care Unit and came back quite encouraged but ended up getting into an interesting discussion with my best friend about God - the manifest Presence of God - why some Christians such as Rob Rufus seem to enjoy experiences of His glory while others (like me) don't - and so on.  We didn't really have any answers.  We were just discussing.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And suddenly and unexpectedly I found myself breaking down into tears.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The agony of silence and the feeling that the heavens are brass just got too much.  By the mercy of God I was able to chat to my dear friend Pete online and he was able to encourage me that this is the cry of hunger.  I've never wept I don't think before that God isn't answering prayers or speaking but I'm encouraged if that means maybe there is light on the horizon!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This song is so unbelievably trite but sometimes it is the simple that keeps you holding on - when you can't stomach the theological heavyweight hymns!  Although I love them too.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/5WxPyUzWSPA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Crikey - I couldn't even watch that video while posting without crying again.  Maybe there's something to this faith thing after all!  Either that or I'm pregnant ... scary.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-3061776957354954028?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/3061776957354954028/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=3061776957354954028&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/3061776957354954028'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/3061776957354954028'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/keep-on-believing.html' title='Keep on Believing!?'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/5WxPyUzWSPA/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-9206376269174454130</id><published>2011-08-04T06:01:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-04T06:04:46.850+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sex Abuse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Children'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Forgiveness'/><title type='text'>Update: Another Sex Abuse Survivor Comes Forth</title><content type='html'>This really turns my stomach after my recent post on &lt;a href="http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/child-protection-at-all-costs.html"&gt;child protection&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Another sex abuse survivor has come forth from Covenant Life Church and &lt;a href="http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=2658"&gt;told her story&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;AGAIN&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; the pastors seem to be all about cover-up and protecting the perpetrator.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My heart just aches for these victims.  I know too well the screw-ups left on their lives.  I'm 33 and I'm still sooo messed up.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Come on church - sort it out!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-9206376269174454130?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/9206376269174454130/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=9206376269174454130&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/9206376269174454130'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/9206376269174454130'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/update-another-sex-abuse-survivor-comes.html' title='Update: Another Sex Abuse Survivor Comes Forth'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-4243725205083439925</id><published>2011-08-03T21:05:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-03T21:24:19.690+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM Uncensored'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Forgiveness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brent Detweiler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Acceptance grace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><title type='text'>Brent Detweiler joins the Blogging World!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FrT0rELv2jc/TjmuaBHMqXI/AAAAAAAADpA/vhxIV-huuzc/s1600/leadershipteam5_012007.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 235px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FrT0rELv2jc/TjmuaBHMqXI/AAAAAAAADpA/vhxIV-huuzc/s320/leadershipteam5_012007.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5636728170629343602" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Brent Detweiler always historically was one of the SGM apostles who hovered just below my radar until the last Celebration UK.  I was aware of his name - but Scott and I went to just one day of the final Celebration UK and heard C J Mahaney speak in the morning.  This was typical "C J" on "resolving conflicts" (ironic) - but the highlight was one we weren't expecting - Brent Detweiler spoke on the power and Person of the Holy Spirit in the evening.  He spoke powerfully and with great impartation (one of the marks of a true apostle in my book) and this was followed by amazing ministry from prophetic and healing ministries.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I didn't really monitor Brent's ministry (although I knew he was very important to my friend Jesse Phillips) until I noted he had left/been removed from the SGM Leadership team/Board of Directors/Apostolic Team (*delete as appropriate).  I was saddened - I realised by then that Brent Detweiler was the last truly charismatic/Pentecostal leader on the team (Brent's documents attest to the truth of that).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But of course when the recent month's drama broke - we all realised how crucial Brent Detweiler is in this whole process.  I don't really know what a part Brent has played in the contributing of this present state in SGM.  I'm sure he's not without blame in legalism.  But are any of us?  What I do believe is that he actually cares about C J Mahaney - and is prepared to lose his public reputation and any hope of his position in SGM by acting on his convictions.  So for that - he has my respect and my interest.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And he's started a blog here:  &lt;a href="http://www.brentdetwiler.com/"&gt;Brent Detweiler dot com&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;His first blog is focused around the initial findings of the "&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Findings-from-our-preliminary-panel.aspx"&gt;preliminary panel&lt;/a&gt;".  His conclusions?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Here's the stunner!  I totally agree with their conclusion!  Based on C.J.'s publicly "confessed sins" he is not disqualified.  Why?  Because he acknowledged next to nothing and nothing specific except for his treatment of Dave and me eight to nine years ago!  So based upon his public confessions, the three man panel is correct - C.J. is "still fit to be a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ and a pastor to others."  Thanks Kevin, Ray and Carl for making that clear to all of us".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-4243725205083439925?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/4243725205083439925/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=4243725205083439925&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/4243725205083439925'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/4243725205083439925'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/brent-detweiler-joins-blogging-world.html' title='Brent Detweiler joins the Blogging World!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FrT0rELv2jc/TjmuaBHMqXI/AAAAAAAADpA/vhxIV-huuzc/s72-c/leadershipteam5_012007.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-6963346679804458745</id><published>2011-08-03T12:32:00.006+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-03T15:31:23.179+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rob Rufus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Glenda Rufus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Grace and Glory South Africa'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='James Preston'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fini and Isi de Gersigny'/><title type='text'>Grace and Glory Conference - South Africa</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-65nufxoSIZ0/Tjk0f4PEXwI/AAAAAAAADo4/Y-_ZZpRECFE/s1600/Glory%2Band%2BGrace%2BElders.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-65nufxoSIZ0/Tjk0f4PEXwI/AAAAAAAADo4/Y-_ZZpRECFE/s320/Glory%2Band%2BGrace%2BElders.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5636594130907062018" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The "Grace and Glory Conference" fathered by Rob and Glenda Rufus most definitely share the top position along with "Together on a Mission" for the conferences that have had the most impact on my life.  Although I've only made it to the first one in Hong Kong (so far) I always listen to the audio and love the teaching and impartation that comes from Rob, Fini, Isi and others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have greatly enjoyed following the most recent conference blogs by my mate in South Africa - James Preston.  It sounds like they have been having an amazing time!  Here's the links (audio messages are &lt;a href="http://www.highway.org.za/glory-and-grace-sermons.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;);&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RcH3KCd8kfQ/Tjk0AEWuTTI/AAAAAAAADow/9aVGsziMBlI/s320/Rob%2BRufus%2B3.jpg" style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 240px; height: 320px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5636593584404581682" /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://prestonmedia.blogspot.com/2011/07/glory-grace-durban-2011-diary-1.html"&gt;Glory &amp;amp; Grace, Durban 2011 - Diary 1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://prestonmedia.blogspot.com/2011/07/glory-grace-durban-2011-diary-2.html"&gt;Glory &amp;amp; Grace, Durban 2011 - Diary 2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://prestonmedia.blogspot.com/2011/07/glory-grace-durban-2011-diary-3.html"&gt;Glory &amp;amp; Grace, Durban 2011 - Diary 3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://prestonmedia.blogspot.com/2011/08/glory-grace-durban-2011-diary-4.html"&gt;Glory &amp;amp; Grace, Durban 2011 - Diary 4&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The important thing to know about Grace and Glory conferences is that if you come simply wanting impartation of theology and knowledge you will be disappointed.  There are other conferences you can go to for that.  Rob particularly always does lay foundations of grace but the emphasis is on encounter with God.  And there is no substitute for that!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-6963346679804458745?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/6963346679804458745/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=6963346679804458745&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6963346679804458745'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6963346679804458745'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/grace-and-glory-conference-south-africa.html' title='Grace and Glory Conference - South Africa'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-65nufxoSIZ0/Tjk0f4PEXwI/AAAAAAAADo4/Y-_ZZpRECFE/s72-c/Glory%2Band%2BGrace%2BElders.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-3660041805704910212</id><published>2011-08-02T23:23:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-02T23:24:48.228+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><title type='text'>So he's back?</title><content type='html'>I read this on the Sovereign Grace Ministries blog;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Findings-from-our-preliminary-panel.aspx"&gt;Findings from our Preliminary Panel&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Any surprises?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-3660041805704910212?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/3660041805704910212/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=3660041805704910212&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/3660041805704910212'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/3660041805704910212'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/so-hes-back.html' title='So he&apos;s back?'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-3963262932626650545</id><published>2011-08-02T17:20:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-02T19:24:47.296+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Child Protection at All Costs!</title><content type='html'>I have just come back from a 'Child Protection' study day at my hospital I work at.  It was a very interesting day and one I find quite hard to stomach.  I have always found the prospect or thought of innocent children being abused in a physical, emotional, sexual or neglectful way very hard to cope with.  &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;During the study day, the subject of child abuse in religious circles came up.  The lecturer mentioned the well-documented abuse in the Catholic church but it was also interesting to factor in the child abuse cases that have happened within SGM circles.  The Child Protection specialist wasn't particularly horrified or surprised by the SGM accounts -it seemed quite normal to him.  This shocked me more than anything.  Shouldn't he be horrified?  The church - "the hope of all the world" - the glorious end-time church and there is &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;CHILD&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;ABUSE&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; happening within it's ranks?  And a non-Christian Child Protection specialist isn't particularly surprised that church leaders aren't dealing with this?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A caveat - I remain optimistic that the &lt;a href="http://www.sovgracefairfax.org/family-meeting3"&gt;Sovereign Grace Fairfax church leaders have confessed their wrong-doing&lt;/a&gt; in allowing treating the molester and the victim on an equal footing.  "Sorry" covers a multitude of sins.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But I remain disturbed, upset, angry that the church &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;STILL&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; persists in treating different sins on different levels.  For example - I confessed struggling with sexual orientation (including some "slips") and was confronted with horrified panic.  Oh there is no doubt homosexuality is seen as "uber-bad".  Ted Haggard - a well-known evangelical leader in the USA - was discovered having made a moral fall and was widely and publicly disqualified from leadership.  Financial misdeeds?  I think we can also admit that theft of money would be something else that would discredit a church leader from the ministry and would indeed call a movement of churches into disrepute.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Yet - why is child abuse not seemingly treated as seriously as these other sins?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hear me.  I believe that &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;ALL&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; sins are the same in the sight of God.  Jesus Christ had to die &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;ONCE&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; and once for all.  God sees all sins as worthy of death - and that &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;ONE&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; sacrifice not only covers the homosexual but the child molester and the adulterer and the thief of money.  But this discrepancy in the church?  What's going wrong?  Why are we not treating our children as precious beyond words?  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Angry?  Too right I'm angry.  I was abused at a Christian school my parents spent thousands of pounds sending me too.  And the mission statement of the school and the thing it prided itself on was that in that environment we were safe from the "evils" of secular education.  We were in a spiritual greenhouse where we could grow and flourish until strong enough to "go out" into the world.  And yet someone who should have known better and was in a position of trust did that to me when I was in my formative years.  I know what sexual and physical abuse does to a child and how it can screw you up for years.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;So what is the answer&lt;/u&gt;?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I think if the church is going to maintain integrity in this day and age - we have got to lose sight of the fact that the church is somehow set apart from the state.  Church leaders should make it a &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;PRIORITY&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; to cooperate with child protection policies in all churches (which to give them credit - Sovereign Grace Fairfax are doing - albeit too late).  Of course those with a history of child molestation should be welcome in church (just like homosexuals, thieves, murderers, transvestites, prostitutes) but they should &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;NOT&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; be allowed anywhere near children.  If there are accusations made within the church then full cooperation should be made with the authorities.  Surely transparency will be far less damaging in the long-run than cover up and financial support given to the family of the molester (as has been alleged in SGM).  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;We were taught on the study day how to make child protection referrals - and I believe that all children workers in churches should be educated how to do this - to the same level as healthcare workers - should concerns arise.  Child molesters in church?  Sin is sin and sin has consequences and I do believe that a prison sentence is no less than appropriate for even church members convicted of this most grievous of offences.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Not a pleasant subject and I'd far rather be discussing Ern Baxter or Rob Rufus or revival or the baptism and gifts of the Holy Spirit but it is one I feel passionately about.  Our amazing Lord Jesus loved children - and we should do no less in protecting them to the best of our abilities.  Hopefully a church environment where our children are protected against all odds will be an environment where families can flourish safely and we can move on to focus on our true mission.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-3963262932626650545?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/3963262932626650545/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=3963262932626650545&amp;isPopup=true' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/3963262932626650545'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/3963262932626650545'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/08/child-protection-at-all-costs.html' title='Child Protection at All Costs!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-2980541099116474618</id><published>2011-07-30T19:14:00.006+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-30T20:20:48.167+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Holy Spirit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Theology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Terry Virgo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Word and Spirit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Baptism Holy Spirit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Newfrontiers'/><title type='text'>The Treasures of the Newfrontiers Magazine</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;Another "change" coming to Newfrontiers is the finishing of the wonderful magazine edited by Terry Virgo.  Terry gave us this rather shock announcement in his final session at "Together on a Mission" and said this would be the penultimate edition which we were given at the conference.  I was saddened to hear this - I've had a deep love for the magazine which I have been carefully collecting since back in my university days.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wDSP-ZcSOSg/TjRZVPRIFKI/AAAAAAAADog/W_2zfaPRlto/s320/Newfrontiers%2BMagazine%2BFront.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 224px; height: 320px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5635227255157822626" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;One of the major riches of the magazine is the "Firstline" introduction as editor that Terry would write.  I've read through some of my magazines and have posted some of my favourite Terry quotes below;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"The challenge remains for us to be enthusiastic in our embracing of the activity of the Holy Spirit and to be through in our commitment to Biblical truth" - Firstline, Jan-March 2007&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"It is very possible to deplore the closing of church buildings and be saddened by the apparant collapse of Christianity but if we simply see it in Ern Baxter's terms, we realise that Saul's kingdom is fading fast but David's kingdom is emerging.  There is a new anointing" - Firstline - Sep-Nov 2004&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"One of the most important apostolic responsibilities therefore is to define who are the people of God" - Sept-Nov 2003.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"As we go on world mission, we believe we are the fulfillment of promises made to Abraham that in him all the families of the earth would be blessed (Gen 12:3) and that he was the heir of the world (Rom 4:13)" - Firstline - Sept - Dec 2005.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"The new wine demanded a new wineskin.  When we came together, we had to make room for God's Presence in this exciting new way" - Firstline - April-June 2006&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"Once the local church rediscovers her glorious calling, she rises to true significance.  She is a dwelling place for God's Spirit.  She is corporately the light of the world, a city set on a hill which cannot be hid" - Firstline - April - June 2006.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"Be sure to run (your race) with zeal and committment fixing your eyes on Jesus 'the author and perfector of faith whofor the joy set before Him endured the Cross, despising the shame and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God" - Firstline - March-May 2005.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"Jesus was weary of His unbelieving followers.  He could not be indifferent or complacent.  He could not passively accomodate their failure" - Firstline - April-June 2007.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"The Cross was a form of public execution of unparalelled degradation and repulsiveness" - Firstline - Oct-Dec 2007.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-2980541099116474618?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/2980541099116474618/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=2980541099116474618&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2980541099116474618'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2980541099116474618'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/treasures-of-newfrontiers-magazine.html' title='The Treasures of the Newfrontiers Magazine'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wDSP-ZcSOSg/TjRZVPRIFKI/AAAAAAAADog/W_2zfaPRlto/s72-c/Newfrontiers%2BMagazine%2BFront.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-1059771987618929188</id><published>2011-07-28T14:33:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-28T14:50:46.651+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM Uncensored'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Honesty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Healing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><title type='text'>Confessions at Sovereign Grace Fairfax</title><content type='html'>I have been aware of a church in the USA called &lt;a href="http://www.sovgracefairfax.org/"&gt;Sovereign Grace Fairfax&lt;/a&gt; where one of C J's son-in-laws is on staff there.  It is a church that has come under heavy criticism from the &lt;a href="http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/"&gt;Survivors&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.sgmrefuge.com/"&gt;Refuge&lt;/a&gt; blog quite fairly I think.  Some extremely sad stories of sexual abuse of children have occured at the church - this is something that I react against very strongly.  I've made my life's work protecting and defending children as a nurse and I &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;HATE&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; the thought of any child in pain or grief.  So to read these stories where child abuse happened in the church and find pastors not defending the children - it's hard to read.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I was interested that the church held a "&lt;a href="http://www.sovgracefairfax.org/family-meeting-72411"&gt;Family Meeting&lt;/a&gt;" this week and was considerably impressed with their transparency, honesty and openness on their flaws.  Again I think it's important to give credit where credit is due.  Here's some comments on what the senior pastor Mark said;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"The blog post from SGM that contained resolutions - I found &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Sovereign-Grace-Board-of-Directors-announcement-regarding-CJ-Mahaney.aspx"&gt;that blog post&lt;/a&gt; to be unacceptable in tone and content. It seemed defensive, it seemed heavy-handed and for me it raised serious questions about the integrity and the legitimacy of the evaluation process that has been entered into with C J. It failed to invite dialogue and critique. The post that followed a couple of days later entitled; "&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Listening.aspx"&gt;Listening&lt;/a&gt;" was better - but overall I was disappointed and surprised by that blog post.  Personal observation number 2 - there is a need for a through review of the leadership practice inside Sovereign Grace Ministries.  Key questions are undefined or unclear.  What does it mean to be a member church?  Does SGM have any authority over it's churches or is it simply a para-church organisation?  Are their deficiencies in conflict resolution that C J references in his blog post?  How can communication between the SGM Board and pastors and member churches be improved?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are not small items.  A new coat of paint won't do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Observation number 3.  Let's slow down and take a deep breath.  We are not talking about adultery.  The matters before SGM are quite serious but on another level they are not that unusual.  This is not in anyway to make light of anyone who has been sinned against.  Personally I love C J - I love SGM.  I hope that partnership continues for decades to come - let's be patient and let's pray.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Four personal questions.  1.  What role does the SGM board have in addressing sins in C J's life?  Were Dave, Jeff and Josh enabling him or questioning him?  2.  How seriously does the SGM board see what we see?  We need some more queues and understanding.  The blog posts have not helped me see it's worse that we think.  3.  What will the process of assessing look like for SGM?  Will it involve ex-pastors who have been hurt or disenfranchised?  What will the process look like?  4.  How is SGM reaching out to ex-pastors and leaders who have been hurt and disenfranchised by the deficiencies that C J has described?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are at a time when SGM has been critiqued for the way pastors have led.  There are several blogs that have focused on these issues.  Two stories in particular have appeared on those blogs that address situations in this church.  What follows is a confession in response to what is called Noel's story and Wallace's story.  Romans says "Weep with those who weep" - by now many of you are aware of two stories on Survivors and Refuge - both were members of this church and both have sad stories to tell.  Noel (a pen name) tells of the sad sexual abuse of her young daughter in 1998.  Wallace tells the same.  In both cases the young men were perpetrators who were members of this church.  These incidents are exceedingly painful for these families.  No compassionate person can learn of these sins without grief, sorrow and heartache of the violation of these young children.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it gets worse - when these incidents came to light these children were victims who were sinned against.  Moments like this require extraordinary amounts of tender care.  This is a time to bind up the broken hearted and weep with those who weep - and that's what your pastors did right?  With deep regret I confess - we didn't.  Noel and Wallace are justified in critiquing the pastoral care they received.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sadly in seeking to care for them - we became part of their trial.  We unwisely used a Peacemaker model for conflict resolution - this resulted in the victims families being corrected when they should have been cared for.  I am so sad I did that.  Our aversion to therapeutic thinking kept us from people and resources that would have helped these families and helped us to help these families.  We didn't give hurting people room to help these people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have been accused of not getting it.  Guilty as charged.  I am so sorry (*breaks down in tears*)".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;We are all human.  And I know I can testify that the one word; "Sorry" - goes a massive way to heal a multitude of sins.  I know not all will be satisfied with these comments but I really am encouraged by the honesty and openness characterizing the church leaders - may God use this to keep moving SGM towards healing.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-1059771987618929188?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/1059771987618929188/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=1059771987618929188&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/1059771987618929188'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/1059771987618929188'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/confessions-at-sovereign-grace-fairfax.html' title='Confessions at Sovereign Grace Fairfax'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-2969455511446873194</id><published>2011-07-27T20:00:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-27T20:18:14.063+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christian Leadership'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Theology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Word and Spirit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='John Stott'/><title type='text'>Dr John Stott - A Man of God</title><content type='html'>I was saddened yet glad for him to hear that Dr John Stott went into the Presence of His Lord this morning.  He was one of my greatest evangelical heroes and I was fortunate enough to have met him twice at his home church of All Souls Langham Place - I also heard him preach a number of times and his succinct wonderful exposition made a tremendous impact on my learning.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;His ministry was indeed international and I am sure that his funeral will be one of the best attended celebrations seen in London!  For those who haven't heard him preach, here is a video of Dr Stott preaching at Keswick a few years ago;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/8qGHSBZph3g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-2969455511446873194?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/2969455511446873194/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=2969455511446873194&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2969455511446873194'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2969455511446873194'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/dr-john-stott-man-of-god.html' title='Dr John Stott - A Man of God'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/8qGHSBZph3g/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-8774409248955504694</id><published>2011-07-25T13:21:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-25T13:29:01.684+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Manifest Presence God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Reconciliation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Larry Tomczak'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><title type='text'>Larry Tomczak on the Joy of Reconciliation</title><content type='html'>I was interested in this video (thanks to &lt;a href="http://ikdg.wordpress.com/"&gt;Steve W&lt;/a&gt;) for the link where Larry Tomczak preached yesterday at &lt;a href="http://immanuels.org"&gt;Charles Schmidt's church&lt;/a&gt; and during the sermon made comments on the joy of reconciliation with C J Mahaney - and also Mahaney's humility in responding to his overtures and admitting wrongs - it's a good encouraging reminder that God is still at work during this difficult time for SGM!&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.immanuels.org//index.php?option=com_hdflvplayer&amp;amp;task=player" flashvars="id=77&amp;amp;baserefJ=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eimmanuels%2Eorg%2F&amp;amp;autoplay=false&amp;amp;compid=4" style="width:425px;height:344px" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-8774409248955504694?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/8774409248955504694/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=8774409248955504694&amp;isPopup=true' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8774409248955504694'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/8774409248955504694'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/larry-tomczak-on-joy-of-reconciliation.html' title='Larry Tomczak on the Joy of Reconciliation'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-982658283223490760</id><published>2011-07-24T21:10:00.004+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-24T21:21:44.095+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Charles Simpson'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brighton'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Newfrontiers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ern Baxter'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='CCK'/><title type='text'>Interview with Charles Simpson on Mega churches</title><content type='html'>I was really interested to find a very recent video of a short interview with Charles Simpson on the question of why mega churches don't affect communities - but disciples do.  This question has come to me every now and then - because I guess I've always held a rather naive view that mega churches surely would affect the community.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;We don't have very many mega churches in the United Kingdom.  Probably the closest is &lt;a href="http://www.cck.org.uk"&gt;Church of Christ the King&lt;/a&gt; in Brighton (tiny comparably at over a 1000 members!) but I was shocked when many of my friends in the gay community in Brighton had absolutely no idea of CCK's existence or the values it stands for (other than being fully aware that "CCK doesn't like gays").  That is another question for another day coming soon.  But it's the biggest Newfrontiers church in the UK and the community of Brighton isn't really affected!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Charles Simpson and the whole Shepherding Movement came under heavy fire for the abuses and excesses that characterized some of it.  For example the majority of commenters on "&lt;a href="http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/"&gt;SGM Survivors&lt;/a&gt;" hate the Shepherding Movement (and this blog for promoting and honouring Ern Baxter's ministry) and blame it for C J Mahaney and their polity.  While I hate the excesses of authoritarian church leadership with a passion - I still remain persuaded by the principles of discipleship under a spiritual real father/mother that Ern Baxter particularly taught so well and so gently.  I know the loneliness of being in a church and knowing that you are essentially a stranger.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here's the video:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/KdyDqF2IoUE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I would hesitantly suggest (if I can disagree with Charles Simpson) that I still think there is a place for mega churches but churches that integrate the principles of loving discipleship and cell groups and so on.  For example - Paul Yongi Cho and his church in South Korea seem to take this approach extremely successfully - and there is a church that affects not just the community but the country and the world!  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So here's to hoping for more mega churches under loving Ephesians 4 Ministries and father/pastors who know what it is to love and care for each member as an essential part of the living Bride of Christ!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-982658283223490760?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/982658283223490760/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=982658283223490760&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/982658283223490760'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/982658283223490760'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/interview-with-charles-simpson-on-mega.html' title='Interview with Charles Simpson on Mega churches'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://img.youtube.com/vi/KdyDqF2IoUE/default.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-4620387908625369027</id><published>2011-07-23T17:28:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-23T17:44:19.036+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kate Simmonds'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Worship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brighton'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='TOAM 11'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Simon Brading'/><title type='text'>Worship Songs at Together on a Mission 2011</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;Update:  Adrian Warnock's got a more complete list &lt;a href="http://adrianwarnock.com/2011/07/toam-song-lists/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;One of the highlights of the now-finished &lt;a href="http://www.newfrontierstogether.org/"&gt;TOAM conference&lt;/a&gt; is the powerful times of worship and encounter with God led by &lt;a href="http://simonbrading.com/"&gt;Simon Brading&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://katesimmonds.com/"&gt;Kate Simmonds&lt;/a&gt;.  I am so pleased that Simon &lt;a href="http://www.worshipschool.com/2011/07/toam-2011-songlists/"&gt;posted some of the worship songs&lt;/a&gt; he used, so I could see what we missed in the sessions we didn't go to! &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here they are;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"Here are the songs we used at the Newfrontiers Together On A Mission conference this year.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tuesday PM&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is Jesus Bm (Tom Lockly)&lt;br /&gt;Christus Victor A (Simon Brading)&lt;br /&gt;Praise the Lord oh my soul A (Graham Ord)&lt;br /&gt;Agnus Dei A (Michael W. Smith)&lt;br /&gt;Wednesday AM Mobilise&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our God He reigns C#m (Simon Brading)&lt;br /&gt;Christus Victor A (Simon Brading)&lt;br /&gt;Holy (Jules Burt, Sam Cox)&lt;br /&gt;[Tom Shaw preach]&lt;br /&gt;Be lifted up (Paul Oakley)&lt;br /&gt;Be still for the presence (David Evans)&lt;br /&gt;Wednesday PM&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Psalm 40 (Simon &amp;amp; Anna Brading)&lt;br /&gt;Mighty to save (Reuben Morgan)&lt;br /&gt;Christus Victor (Simon Brading)&lt;br /&gt;You alone can rescue (Matt Redman, Jonas Myrin)&lt;br /&gt;Our God (Matt Redman, Jonas Myrin, Chris Tomlin)&lt;br /&gt;[PJ Smyth Preach]&lt;br /&gt;Blessed be Your name (Matt &amp;amp; Beth Redman)&lt;br /&gt;There is a day (Nathan Fellingham)&lt;br /&gt;How great is our God (Chris Tomlin)&lt;br /&gt;Thursday AM&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Psalm 40 (Simon &amp;amp; Anna Brading)&lt;br /&gt;Our God He reigns (Simon Brading &amp;amp; Matt Redman)&lt;br /&gt;Have You heard (Simon Brading, Graham Kendrick, Nathan Fellingham)&lt;br /&gt;Spirit of the living God&lt;br /&gt;All hail the Lamb&lt;br /&gt;Christ in me (Nathan &amp;amp; Lou Fellingham)&lt;br /&gt;What can I say / I’ll stand (Joel Houston)&lt;br /&gt;Friday AM Mobilise&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I come to be with You (Jules Burt)&lt;br /&gt;Yesterday, today and forever (Vicky Beeching)&lt;br /&gt;Holy (Jules Burt, Sam Cox)&lt;br /&gt;Shine (Matt Redman)&lt;br /&gt;What can I say / I’ll stand (Joel Houston)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-4620387908625369027?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/4620387908625369027/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=4620387908625369027&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/4620387908625369027'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/4620387908625369027'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/worship-songs-at-together-on-mission.html' title='Worship Songs at Together on a Mission 2011'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-3042759152243037117</id><published>2011-07-21T21:32:00.004+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-21T22:27:01.304+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM Uncensored'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Terry Virgo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Apostles'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dave Devenish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brent Detweiler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Newfrontiers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Spiritual Fathers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Apostolic Movement'/><title type='text'>True Apostles are True Fathers!</title><content type='html'>A current Sovereign Grace pastor asked a pertinent question on "&lt;a href="http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=2585"&gt;SGM Survivors&lt;/a&gt;" today;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9EldxGq_08A/TiiZH2R9G0I/AAAAAAAADoI/fJP_jiXXFoQ/s320/j0289370.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 223px; height: 320px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5631919694135761730" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"From your vantage point what are the primary weaknesses within SGM?  Do you see any strengths?".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Sadly as per the tone of the blog a lot of the focus is on the weaknesses of SGM.  But a criticism has had me thinking a lot - a lot of the "SGM survivors" (ex-SGMers to you and me) are extremely critical of the polity of SGM - or in other words the way that the denomination is run.  It used to be run by C J Mahaney and the "Apostolic Team".  It is now run by Dave Harvey (interim President) and the "Board of Directors".  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I think the reason I am slightly more cautious of dismissing SGM's polity is because it is so similar to the style of church leadership I am used to in Newfrontiers or other apostolic movements.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Does abuse command no use - or rather consideration of right and proper use?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Firstly it is important to understand that Brent Detweiler has unveiled that SGM do not believe in the apostolic ministry anymore (&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/What-happened-to-the-apostolic-team.aspx"&gt;seemingly&lt;/a&gt;).  From his papers, he wrote in response to an official announcement by SGM (&lt;a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/59533268/Part-3-Concluding-Remarks"&gt;p114 of "Concluding Remarks&lt;/a&gt;");&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;"I wrote my wife and son the following e-mail.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From: Brent Detwiler&lt;br /&gt;Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 12:19 PM&lt;br /&gt;To: Jenny Detwiler; Jonathan Detwiler&lt;br /&gt;Subject: What Happen to the A Team&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Check out ―"&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/What-happened-to-the-apostolic-team.aspx"&gt;What happened to the apostolic team&lt;/a&gt;?" - It is not a truthful answer. The apostolic team was comprised of men we believed were called as apostles,not just pastors, in keeping with the teaching of Eph 4:11, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Statement of Faith makes this clear. It reads, ―The ascended Christ has given gift ministries to the church (including apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers)&lt;br /&gt;for the equipping of Christ‘s body that it might mature and grow. Through the&lt;br /&gt;gift ministries all members of the Church are to be nurtured and equipped forthe work&lt;br /&gt;of ministry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Sovereign Grace no longer believes in present day apostles and I presume prophets. The five fold ministry is out. The three fold ministry is in&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;. What concerned me the most was the effect such an explanation would have upondiscerning readers who have been a part of the movement for more than five years. Itwould undermine your credibility. Except for you; Dave, Steve and I all gave up ourpastorates in order to fulfill our calling as apostles. We were not a team of pastors. We were a team of apostles. We were an apostolic team. Not a pastoral team.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since then Sovereign Grace‘s understanding of apostles continues to fluctuate. I‘m still&lt;br /&gt;not sure if you believe in apostles and prophets per Ephesians 4:11, etc. If you don‘t,&lt;br /&gt;the Statement of Faith must be changed. But this much I know, when I stepped downfrom the apostolic team in November 2007, none of us thought of ourselves as apastoral team.Sovereign Grace Ministries can change its ecclesiology and polity, but it should notmisrepresent the past. Instead be honest. &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Just say we believed in apostles then, we&lt;br /&gt;don‘t believe in them anymore&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;. In the past we called it a team of apostles, now we call&lt;br /&gt;it a team of pastors. In Reformed and evangelical circles it is unacceptable to refer to oneself as an apostle or prophet. Those gift ministries have ended according to their theology. But let‘s not try to save face in those circles by spinning our understanding of the apostolic team in the past.Now a days, you refer to yourself as the President and to Dave, Jeff and Joshua as Directors. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;In my opinion, Sovereign Grace Ministries has become a para-churchorganization because it no longer has a clear biblical justification for its existence. The five-fold ministry has folded".&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now it is largely irrelevant whether SGM have discarded their belief in the full Ephesians 4 Ministries or not - they (led by Mahaney and Harvey) have the right to change their doctrinal views on the baptism of the Holy Spirit as on Ephesians 4 Ministries.  The point however is that the criticisms of SGM's polity &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;HAVE&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; come from their previous belief in the apostolic ministry.  They believed that C J Mahaney, Dave Harvey and Brent Detweiler were apostles - hence equipped to lead and father SGM. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I actually believe that the problem is not their belief in the apostolic ministry but that C J Mahaney is &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;NOT&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; an apostle (what churches has he been personally responsible for fathering and planting?  What signs and wonders has he been used in ministering?).  I've said this before.  I believe that rather he is a prophet/teacher.  He is an extremely gifted and able teacher who is unilateral in what he preaches.  He preaches the Cross - period.  And that needs preaching!  But it does not need preaching to the exclusion of other aspects of the Gospel such as the resurrection, glorification, ascension and so on.  From what I hear Larry Tomczak WAS the apostolically gifted leader in what was PDI - hence the shame the two men split.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Again - rather than dismissing the validity of apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers - we should assess and look at the valid and real.  I am finding David Devenish's new book so helpful in this respect; "&lt;a href="http://direct.crossrhythms.co.uk/product/Fathering-Leaders/David-Devenish/110267"&gt;Fathering Leaders - Motivating Mission&lt;/a&gt;".  Apostles must be fathers - otherwise they are nothing worse than autocratic leaders who care more about speaking on conference platforms than they do sitting and weeping with church pastors.  Dave wrote;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"One danger ... is that apostolic ministry can become unwittingly hierarchic in terms of organisation.  Apostolic ministry rightly raises sons to continue the ministry and go to places where the apostle is no longer able to go, whether through lack of time or because he has been called on to other ministry.  But an apostle should never become simply 'the head of an organisation' simply supervising others with apostolic calling.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Apostolic ministry is always to a large extent, a hands-on ministry.  It is not like some secular models of management, where the further we progress in the corporate hierarchy, the more distant we become from the coalface of production.  Paul never worked like that.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;The call to apostles is both to be engaged personally, hands on in world mission and also to "father" many others who will have the same passion for the gospel to go to the nations of the world".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-3042759152243037117?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/3042759152243037117/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=3042759152243037117&amp;isPopup=true' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/3042759152243037117'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/3042759152243037117'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/true-apostles-are-true-fathers.html' title='True Apostles are True Fathers!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9EldxGq_08A/TiiZH2R9G0I/AAAAAAAADoI/fJP_jiXXFoQ/s72-c/j0289370.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-3776123189169446826</id><published>2011-07-17T22:28:00.005+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-18T20:59:49.944+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Theology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joshua Harris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christ'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Doctrine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><title type='text'>Proper Foundations - Josh Harris</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;Josh Harris brought the correct focus of both his church - &lt;a href="http://www.covlife.org/"&gt;Covenant Life&lt;/a&gt; - and indeed the wider Christian community back to the glorious truths of doctrine in &lt;a href="http://www.covlife.org/resources/3935920-Love"&gt;his sermon yesterday&lt;/a&gt;;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pLnlqBg-1sk/TiSQAyzT9fI/AAAAAAAADoA/UlCVv8WMfhc/s320/Josh%2Band%2BCJ-44.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 154px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5630783777431352818" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"I have very important news for you today church.  &lt;u&gt;The Son of God has paid the penalty for all of our sins, Jesus Christ who was crucified has risen from the dead and is even now ruling at the right hand of God over this entire universe&lt;/u&gt;!  There is nothing in all creation that can separate us from His love!  He has promised us that He will never leave us nor forsake us!  He has promised us that His Church will prevail against the gates of hell and He has told us to take heart when we face tribulation because He has already overcome the world - and He is coming for us.  Covenant Life - don't take your eyes off this truth".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Josh then went on to apply the freeing and encouraging truths of this doctrine to both CLC and SGM;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"These are troubling times for us as a church.  God is taking our church through a difficult season and this past week was difficult for many of you.  Your pastors have been praying for you.  We understand the wide range of emotions you are experiencing - confusion, grief, disillusionment.  Yet we have also experienced a rising hope that Jesus is in the midst of the storm with us.  This awesome God is up to good for His people - He is shaking lives that we may cling more tightly to Him.  &lt;u&gt;I have friends who think I have betrayed C J by not standing by him enough&lt;/u&gt;.  I have friends who think I have lacked integrity by standing with C J and Sovereign Grace.  I have come to the conclusion I have too many friends!".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I am so glad that a key leader involved in these troubles is focusing on the truth of doctrine we celebrate rather than getting involved in "C J did this" or " C J did that".  Having read the 600+ documents that Brent Detweiler carefully wrote - there are a couple of theological issues I do want to focus on and consider - because I think they are vitally important to the foundations of "Building a house".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;They are Brent's considerations on;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;1.  The place and Person of the Holy Spirit.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2.  Apostles as Ephesians 4 Ministries.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But disagreements and considerations aside - the truths Josh Harris cited are indeed the most important.  That &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;ALL&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; our sins (past, present and future) have been dealt with at the Cross (that includes C J Mahaney's pride as well as other's gossip!) and He is now reigning on high.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-3776123189169446826?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/3776123189169446826/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=3776123189169446826&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/3776123189169446826'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/3776123189169446826'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/proper-foundations-josh-harris.html' title='Proper Foundations - Josh Harris'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pLnlqBg-1sk/TiSQAyzT9fI/AAAAAAAADoA/UlCVv8WMfhc/s72-c/Josh%2Band%2BCJ-44.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-6534436488099448431</id><published>2011-07-17T16:19:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-17T17:04:10.826+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brighton'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Together on A Mission'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Restorationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Larry Tomczak'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christianity Today'/><title type='text'>Why Do We Bother?  To Build A House!</title><content type='html'>I was immensely blessed to be sent a box full of old videos and audiotapes by Rob and Glenda Rufus last week - that contain some solid gold treasures!  Rob had carefully collected some videos by Kathryn Kuhlman that are just amazingly provoking.  But sneaked in there was an amazing tape from Brighton 1998 (the now finished "&lt;a href="http://www.newfrontierstogether.org/Group/Group.aspx?ID=143278"&gt;Together on a Mission&lt;/a&gt;" conference run by Newfrontiers).  This was the same year that Simon Petit preached his movement-changing "&lt;a href="http://www.newfrontierstogether.org/Groups/107111/Newfrontiers/United_Kingdom/Resources/Social_Action_and_the/Remember_The_Poor/Remember_The_Poor.aspx"&gt;Remember the Poor&lt;/a&gt;" message.  But the tape Rob Rufus sent me was called;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-310YbeKL4ps/TiMHMhwbX2I/AAAAAAAADnw/YQIBm6ELUpM/s320/Brighton%2B98.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 206px; height: 320px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5630351870944567138" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Revival Seasons require Oil-Filled Leaders" by Frank Damazio&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I believe my dear friend Pete Day was at that conference and said it was powerfully visited by the Presence of God - maybe on the same level as when Rob himself was there in 2006 and 2007 - maybe moreso?!  But I have been listening to that tape on the way to and from work and &lt;a href="http://www.citybiblechurch.org/about-frank--sharon--damazio"&gt;Frank Damazio&lt;/a&gt; made a quote that grabbed me;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"We will never reach a city - unless &lt;u&gt;we build a house&lt;/u&gt; - and we will never build a house unless we build great people".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Newfrontiers used to talk about "restoring the house" but have been called on; "It's too small a thing".  However we cannot forget that the house still needs to be built.  This is one reason why &lt;a href="http://direct.crossrhythms.co.uk/product/Fathering-Leaders/David-Devenish/110267"&gt;Dave Devenish writes that apostles and prophets are so essential&lt;/a&gt;!  Without Ephesians 4 Ministries, the foundations are shaky.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I was told recently that my post on Joshua Harris ("&lt;a href="http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/joshua-harris-pastor-of-pastors.html"&gt;Pastor of Pastors&lt;/a&gt;") was linked by &lt;a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/julyweb-only/sexmoneypride.html?start=2#related"&gt;Christianity Today&lt;/a&gt; - which was a surprise!  It just shows you never know who is visiting your blog and reading.  But it made me re-evaluate my interest and concern in the things affecting SGM at the moment.  The fact is - back in 2000 when we first heard C J Mahaney speak at Stoneleigh Bible Week as a guest speaker I sensed something special.  Nothing else would have persuaded me to move to Bristol and join the church plant there - and moreso persuade my entire family to make the move too!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Yes, the concerns and problems I had eventually outweighed my love for SGM and events outpaced me so I had to move on.  But I still do believe C J Mahaney is incredibly gifted in his singular prophetic ministry to remind Christians of the Cross.  I firmly believe that ministry would be best tied to a true apostolic ministry like Larry Tomczak's (which is why we look forward to November with great interest!).  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I was asked what would be the ideal resolution in all this?  I can't really answer that - because only God knows but surely the most God-glorifying answer would be a stronger house with true Ephesians 4 Ministries (apostles and prophets - not a "Board of Directors"), true Holy-Spirit inspired ministry firing preaching of the Word of God absolutely devoted to mission through church-planting to all people groups of the world.  May it be so!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-6534436488099448431?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/6534436488099448431/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=6534436488099448431&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6534436488099448431'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/6534436488099448431'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/why-do-we-bother-to-build-house.html' title='Why Do We Bother?  To Build A House!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-310YbeKL4ps/TiMHMhwbX2I/AAAAAAAADnw/YQIBm6ELUpM/s72-c/Brighton%2B98.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-5288257067823380644</id><published>2011-07-16T06:43:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-16T06:49:34.705+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM Uncensored'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joshua Harris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dave Harvey'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><title type='text'>Honesty from Dave Harvey</title><content type='html'>For those following events in SGM, it became evident that the "&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Sovereign-Grace-Board-of-Directors-announcement-regarding-CJ-Mahaney.aspx"&gt;Board of Directors" note&lt;/a&gt; upset a lot of people - both ex-SGM'ers but more importantly fans and SGM members.  I was incredibly impressed to notice that over this season, the SGM moderators have begun allowing comments of all flavours on the official blogs and this really seems to show integrity and a willingness to admit they are not perfect.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Dave Harvey (interim President of SGM) released "&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/An-honest-take-on-a-difficult-week.aspx"&gt;An Honest Take on a Difficult Week&lt;/a&gt;" and I have to admit (not being a fan of Harvey admitted) I was very impressed with this statement.  He wrote;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Friends, critics, and curious onlookers,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I guess I'd fit under "curious onlooker" - as I'm not a critic (although accused strongly of being so).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"This week has been very challenging, and heading into the weekend I am aware of some places where we screwed up.  I’ll make no attempt to be exhaustive, but here are some highlights:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Lack of clarity in Wednesday’s board announcement&lt;/b&gt;. &lt;div&gt;When we posted our resolutions on Wednesday, people were quick to infer that we were “circling the wagons.” And I think I understand that interpretation. We should have been a lot more clear about our resolve for self-evaluation, growth, integrity, and honest dialogue. So I’m not surprised that folks wrote to tell us of their heartbreak and stomach knots in response to our post, and I do regret that. Believe it or not, at the time we had a lot of people contacting us saying, ”We need to know exactly and without qualification what you think about all of this.”  Communicating our “resolutions” seemed a precise way to convey all that.  More seem to disagree than agree, and we’ve heard you. On top of that, we got more criticism even from our biggest fans on the lack of clarity in a couple of the resolutions.  We amended the post to answer one common question, but I wish we had just nailed it the first time.  All that to say, we messed up our delivery and in the process confused our #1 audience—the people in Sovereign Grace churches. It was a halting start for our new board, but we’re determined to do better. You all have asked a lot of valid questions and we’re grateful that these events mean so much to so many. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Lack of emphasis on self-evaluation&lt;/b&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;When people are tempted to think that you are (and I’ll pull from our vast supply of quotes here) “gaming the system,” engaging in “cronyism,” “going to war,” behaving with “hubris,” “presumptuous and self-serving,” and, well you get the idea—you’ve got the burden of ensuring they know you get the point.  What’s the point?  God is drawing our gaze inward as an organization.  Not in a hyper-introspective-there’s-no-mission-out-there manner.  But in a way that makes it clear to everyone, we have problems. Some of these were already on the radar, others surfaced more recently.  But we’re going to face them.  All of them.  What I want to get across to people through how we handle this (and not just with what we say) is that we want to be more rigorous in our self-examination than anyone else is with us. We want to be leading the charge in that, not playing catch up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Process over people. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This insight came from a Sovereign Grace pastor, and looking back at our communication I have to say we are guilty as charged. For some reason we had this impulse that if we explained a series of steps of evaluation to everyone, that would somehow address the concerns that some members of our churches have about SGM more broadly. Now I think it would be wrong to paint every pastor, pastoral team, and church member with the same broad brush.  But that doesn’t mean that there are no areas of our hearts and practice that need rigorous attention.  I’m going to discuss some of those in a post next week. But even that isn’t the point here. The regrettable fact is that some dear members of Sovereign Grace churches have been hurt over the years, and no independent panel’s evaluation of us can fix that. We hope to do a better job of listening to those folks, learning from them, and owning where we’ve been wrong. See, if all we do is self-evaluate and improve our systems, failing in the meantime to pastor people through the process, we’ve missed the point. I’m committed, actually the whole board is committed, to not letting that happen".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Dave Harvey ended with an important reminder that is worth remembering in the heat and upset of the whirl-wind blog updates, comments from all;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Before I close out, let me just say something that I think will resonate with all of us.  God’s not asking us to choose between sides or between people here.  He wants us to choose Him.  We don’t have all the answers, but because of the cross we’re connected to the One who does.  And he will help us show a watching world the unity we have in Christ.  God is at work…for our good and His Glory!".&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Amen.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-5288257067823380644?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/5288257067823380644/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=5288257067823380644&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/5288257067823380644'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/5288257067823380644'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/honesty-from-dave-harvey.html' title='Honesty from Dave Harvey'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-2143664031834697781</id><published>2011-07-14T22:58:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-14T23:06:09.843+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Covenant Life Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Joshua Harris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SGM'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dave Harvey'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='C J Mahaney'/><title type='text'>Gosh ...</title><content type='html'>This has certainly been a week for "constant change" in Sovereign Grace Ministries and the most &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/A-note-from-Joshua-Harris-and-our-board.aspx"&gt;recent shocking announcement&lt;/a&gt; is this;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"This past week we (the Sovereign Grace Board and Joshua Harris) came to the mutual decision that it would be best for Covenant Life Church and Sovereign Grace Ministries for Joshua to step down from his role as a board member.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While still committed to our shared theological foundation and partnership in Sovereign Grace Ministries, as well as a common desire to walk through this unique season in a God-glorifying way, this change seems wise in light of certain points of disagreement over how best to proceed. Joshua also faces a sizable responsibility of steering Covenant Life through this trial and stepping away from his board role allows him to focus entirely on that task.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What remains unchanged is our affection, respect, friendship and partnership within Sovereign Grace. Joshua’s work on the board for the last three years has been important and we still want him to be a source of counsel for the board. To that end, Joshua has graciously agreed to continue joining board meetings as requested.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We celebrate the fact that in our family of churches, unity in the gospel doesn’t mean unanimity on secondary matters. Ultimately we believe this change will better preserve our essential unity while allowing Joshua to focus his attention on leading Covenant Life and the Board to provide leadership for Sovereign Grace in a time of crisis".&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It's a definite shame - many, many people were tremendously encouraged by Joshua's loving concern and pastorship at last Sunday's meeting addressing the recent trials.  However I am sure that Covenant Life Church will benefit from his increased attention, even though he may be missed on the SGM Board.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Dave Harvey produced a quick second blog post noting "&lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Where-we-differ-and-where-we-agree.aspx"&gt;Where we differ and where we agree&lt;/a&gt;".  As one may expect, both the Board and Joshua agree "98%".  The key disagreement is that Josh stated he believed that God is lovingly discipling SGM at this time.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Board - it seems - have yet to decide on that.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-2143664031834697781?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/2143664031834697781/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=2143664031834697781&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2143664031834697781'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/2143664031834697781'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/gosh.html' title='Gosh ...'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-899586904772401058</id><published>2011-07-14T18:59:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-14T20:29:55.399+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Holy Spirit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Charismatic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Terry Virgo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nigel Ring'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Together on A Mission'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Newfrontiers'/><title type='text'>Together on a Mission 2011 - Day 3!</title><content type='html'>Today was the final session Terry Virgo spoke at - so the thousands gathered knew it was going to be special.  I just wasn't prepared for quite how special.  &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The lively Evan Rodgers from South Africa and then Dubai led worship which was the usual dancing and clappy songs and then Terry came to speak.  He pointed out that a high chair had been set beside him and asked what it was for - he explained that he felt led to "sit and chat to us" for his last session.  Here's what he said;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"I was working on the third part of Hebrews and there were some wonderful things there.  "You have come to Zion!".  But it was dying.  So I prayed and God said that this is a historic event and I should chat about things that really matter.  So therefore I want to highlight things that really matter to me.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;1.  &lt;u&gt;God's Initiative&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"The mission of God" - this is God's mission not ours.  He chose Jacob not Esau.  He has known us before He formed us in the womb.  God knew me before time began!  God's free grace runs right through who we are.  It gives us a sense of destiny.  God has initiated some thing in His purpose for me.  "Not dependent on who I am or what I have done or deserved - it is a gift of mercy from God".  And the greatest thing we can do is align ourselves with Him!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;2.  &lt;u&gt;God's Enabling&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The coming upon of the Holy Spirit is a matter of life and death!  We were useless Christians!  This isn't an academic issue.  We knew "powerlessness".  The Holy Spirit will come "upon" you.  The next word in nearly every verse is "and".  The Spirit comes upon us to do things.  What was the secret of Samson?  Not his muscles but the Spirit who came "upon" Him!  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;It is easy to be cessationist because when you believe in the Spirit's coming upon, you will always be wrestling.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The coming upon of the Spirit will always lead to things!  "Already but not yet".  God wants to empower us - it can leave us aching because we don't see as much as we want but we must press through because we need more of the Holy Spirit!  We need the power of the Holy Spirit to see more of the Kingdom break out!  Some would say we are dialling down on the Holy Spirit to become more missional - the Early Church would not see or allow that!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;3.  &lt;u&gt;God's Commissioning&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;We want to be a sent people.  It is important to know what theological training does and does not do - it is not the same as being sent!  That commissioning from heaven is a commissioning from God.  The awareness is that we answer to Him!  (1 Thessalonians 2:3-4).  The sense of being called by God should make us almost invincible.  "The church stands for divine truth and divine inspiration or it stands for nothing at all" - Matthew Parris - The Times.  We do stand for so many truths.  God has apprehended and commissioned us.  We are answerable to Him alone.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;4.  &lt;u&gt;Being a servant&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A servant doesn't require explanations.  He wants His servants to do what they are told.  They got used to doing what they are told and we only need to know that God has told us - not His explanation.  God said about David; "A man who will do all My will".  Let's have that characteristic - trust His providential overshadowing!  Ken Gott prophesied millions of pounds and millions of people!  Let that characterise who we are - we are to be the servants of God.  Where is the sharp edge and the contrast?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;5.  &lt;u&gt;Faith&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;God loves faith!  Sometimes we look at groups of churches and question some of their doctrine or practice but you cannot deny that they do great and bold things and God blesses that!  He just seems to love faith!  Mega churches are growing throughout China, India.  We are in little league.  The Chinese economy is coming alive and a secular writer commented that Chinese growth is being affected by the back bone of spiritual life.  Launch out with faith - not just apportioning!  Beware the danger of a passive Calvinism!  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Charles Simpson once came and preached at the last Downs Bible Week.  Our theme was "World Changer!" and he was initially somewhat cynical.  He had been greatly hurt by the controversies affecting the Shepherding Movement in the USA.  However in the weekend in between weeks, I had some precious fellowship and was able to share with him.  The second week came and he changed his message to one inspired by our theme.  6,000 in a small field in Plumpton!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"Success-victory-winners!".  Oh you English - God change us out of our cynicism.  Launch us with faith!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;6.  &lt;u&gt;Prayer&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i style="font-weight: bold; "&gt;"A move of God will last only as long as the spirit of prayer that brought it to birth" - &lt;/i&gt;(Arthur Wallis).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Jesus prayed a lot and with faith.  Do you want to be like Jesus?  He prayed a lot!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;7.  &lt;u&gt;Gathering a Team&lt;/u&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;That means to me, friends and companions.  We gain friends!  Not co-labourers but true friends.  People who make up my areas of lack.  Being interviewed helps you find out what you believe.  What makes a team?  Vulnerability.  Have a team because we need a team.  Draw from one another - prayer partners and men of the Spirit!  Our team often find ourselves in "prophetic conversations" - you pray and then start talking and the whole conversation becomes prophetic!  As elders - don't just sit around talking.  Get before God!  The team are by no means yes men.  Go for it but with love!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Submission isn't saying "Yes" every time!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Terry then went on to cite the closest men in his team who have played such key parts in Newfrontiers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Dave Holden&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Dave Devenish&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Colin Baron&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;David Stroud.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Jeremy Simpkin&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Mike Betts&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Guy Miller&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Stephen van Rhyn&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;PJ Symthe&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Steve Oliver&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Edward Buria&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;John Kpipi&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;and Peter Brookes in the Pacific Rim!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is a snapshot of "now" we are reminded!  And there are young men such as Joel Virgo coming through.  Terry then went on to give a lot of detail about changes from now in what is known as Newfrontiers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Especially:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Newfrontiers Magazine will stop - penultimate edition.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Newfrontiers Brighton office is closing.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Terry will begin to become "less and less" while the team men become "more and more".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;On this he mentioned specifically travelling and ministering to non-Newfrontiers groups such as the Pentecostals in France.  He mentioned visiting a "group who are struggling very recently in Washington DC" (no prizes for guessing who - but I am SO glad that they have asked Terry to come and have some input, that it isn't just limited to cessationist, Reformed men such as Mark Dever).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He then ended by a very moving and personal tribute to Nigel Ring - the man who has made so many of these conferences and Bible Weeks and so much of Newfrontiers possible.  You could tell that Nigel was very moved and touched and surprised.  I must admit to leaving the session feeling quite emotional and bittersweet - just like when we left Stoneleigh Bible Week 2001.  But boy - am I glad that we went for these key messages of "Together on a Mission 2011"!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;History in the making indeed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/13792024-899586904772401058?l=ern-baxter.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/feeds/899586904772401058/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13792024&amp;postID=899586904772401058&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/899586904772401058'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/13792024/posts/default/899586904772401058'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/together-on-mission-2011-day-3.html' title='Together on a Mission 2011 - Day 3!'/><author><name>Dan Bowen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15661120561123767936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WemJJfKTVG4/SQz1UcCnWRI/AAAAAAAAC2g/R48xm1bDVHU/S220/Ern+Baxter+Head+Shoulders.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13792024.post-2433288756461859648</id><published>2011-07-13T16:42:00.005+01:00</published><updated>2011-07-14T11:50:05.673+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kate Simmonds'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Terry Virgo'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Together on A Mission'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Acceptance grace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Newfrontiers'/><title type='text'>Together on a Mission 2011 - Day 2!</title><content type='html'>I don't think there could have been a clearer demonstration of the prophetic power of attending a charismatic conference like "&lt;a href="http://www.newfrontierstogether.org/Groups/102585/Newfrontiers/Together_on_a_Mission/Together_on_a_Mission.aspx"&gt;Together on a Mission&lt;/a&gt;" than there was today.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EwAn7Fe9ypQ/Th3RSQB1V8I/AAAAAAAADno/a0v8SsIWVYQ/s320/photo%2B%25281%2529.JPG" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 240px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5628885220753496002" /&gt;I was sadly quite distressed to read a rather &lt;a href="http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/sgm/post/Sovereign-Grace-Board-of-Directors-announcement-regarding-CJ-Mahaney.aspx?utm_source=twitter.com&amp;amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;amp;utm_campaign=board%2Bannouncement"&gt;harsh statement from the SGM Board of Directors&lt;/a&gt; released just before the start of the 14:30 session that seemed to go against so much of the humility and gentleness that &lt;a href="http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/07/joshua-harris-pastor-of-pastors.html"&gt;Josh Harris expressed in his message&lt;/a&gt; to Covenant Life Church last Sunday about the "Mahaney saga".  Essentially they have almost dismissed Brent Detweiler's concerns because &lt;a href="http://www.scribd.com/sgmwikileaks"&gt;the documents&lt;/a&gt; have been leaked on the internet.  &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;There could be no more perfect time to enter into worship led by my very favourite - the wonderful Kate Simmonds.  She taught us a couple of new songs - all of which were focused on the truth "In Christ Alone".  Our hope is in Him and Him alone!  We then finished by singing; "Shout to the Lord!" - the glorious anthem that just truly lifted me into heaven.  I reflected that
